does live come already installed before i buy it

distraub · Post by **distraub** » Fri Jun 24, 2005 1:33 pm

how exactly do you run an uninstalled version of live?

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Fri Jun 24, 2005 1:34 pm

Same here, people keep popping over the cube wall to see what's so funny.

(Definitely making horse noises)

Apocrypha · Post by **Apocrypha** » Fri Jun 24, 2005 1:39 pm

noisetonepause · Post by **noisetonepause** » Fri Jun 24, 2005 9:21 pm

Em -

You might need a nibnob to make Live work? I reckon you should get one. It will make your music better.

Stay clear of Behringer Dibberdobber though. It's just not as good as the original nibnob.

-Paws

adhmzaiusz · Post by **adhmzaiusz** » Fri Jun 24, 2005 9:31 pm

goddamn i thought this guy started this thread as a joke, to make fun of that time guy who asked if live does timestretching, but alas .... the amount if ridiculosity on this forum is becoming intense and perplexing

Robert Henke · Post by **Robert Henke** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 4:06 pm

distraub wrote:how exactly do you run an uninstalled version of live?

As most audio applications, Live runs on neutron basis. Runing an uninstalled version requires basic understanding of quantum physics and goniometrical halo.
Explaining the whole process would take too much time here, so i try to put it in simple words. If you need a more detailed answer, I would recommend reading
John Filsrows fantastic book "Redefining the future - a brief explanation of neutronic paraboloidals" ( MIT press ISBN 4252151234-6)

Anyway, most applications do linear timeshift in order to get the engine into a morphogenetic state. This is common practise, but there have been discussions recently if, and how this could influence sound quality. Most experienced users here probably will agree, that the sound difference does not justify buying an installed version, unless you are planing to use it either in the studio or on stage (or both). The uninstalled version is slightly different in the binaries and this means, all rhythmical material will be quatised to a beat of some sort. It is important to understand that there is no known algorithm which will do this without nonlinear artefacts as a result of the inststaller !!!

I personally use an anolog mixer to avoid the installer at all. In Live 5 this can also be used to record straigt from the line in, which reduces the risk of termination, even if the partition of your harddisk is uneven, or holds other audio applications on the same groove. I would suggest green.

Hope this helps.

Robert Henke
Ableton

amo · Post by **amo** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 4:11 pm

Robert Henke wrote:
distraub wrote:how exactly do you run an uninstalled version of live?
As most audio applications, Live runs on neutron basis. Runing an uninstalled version requires basic understanding of quantum physics and goniometrical halo.
Explaining the whole process would take too much time here, so i try to put it in simple words. If you need a more detailed answer, I would recommend reading
John Filsrows fantastic book "Redefining the future - a brief explanation of neutronic paraboloidals" ( MIT press ISBN 4252151234-6)

Anyway, most applications do linear timeshift in order to get the engine into a morphogenetic state. This is common practise, but there have been discussions recently if, and how this could influence sound quality. Most experienced users here probably will agree, that the sound difference does not justify buying an installed version, unless you are planing to use it either in the studio or on stage (or both). The uninstalled version is slightly different in the binaries and this means, all rhythmical material will be quatised to a beat of some sort. It is important to understand that there is no known algorithm which will do this without nonlinear artefacts as a result of the inststaller !!!

I personally use an anolog mixer to avoid the installer at all. In Live 5 this can also be used to record straigt from the line in, which reduces the risk of termination, even if the partition of your harddisk is uneven, or holds other audio applications on the same groove. I would suggest green.

Hope this helps.

Robert Henke
Ableton

No Robert, you cannot lead newbies on a wrong path loke that just to have some fun: you now that yellow is a better answer !

Robert Henke · Post by **Robert Henke** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 4:16 pm

Yellow ???? This is ridicules !

Look:

Many people tried to find the rules that govern their variation, and in the process many mathematical techniques have been employed. Among these attempts, there has been suggestions that the wavenumbers vary according to

RH
--- - K,
n2
where RH is the Rydberg constant, n an integer, and K some constant.

At the time when Bohr worked on this problem, Rutherford had shown that atoms consisted of small dense nuclei surrounded by very light electrons. Thus, Bohr thought the atom might be a minature solar system with electrons revolving around (like the planet) the nucleus (the Sun). He also applied Planck's quantum concept and implied that when the angular momentum of the revolving electron is of a certain value, the electron orbital is stable. He derived a formula that showed the energy of the photons of these lines vary according to

1 1
E = - RH ( --- - --- )
n2 4
and RH = 2.179E-18 J, is the Rydberg constant.
Depending on the units used for RH, the energy E of this formula can be wavenumbers or frequencies.

Furthermore, the formula also applies to lines of the hydrogen spectrum in the infrared and ultraviolet regions if the 4 is replaced by the square of some other integer, n'. Thus, the formula has a general form of

1 1
E = - R ( --- - --- )
n2 n'2
Depending on the value of n', we have the following series: n' = 1, Lyman series (ultraviolet)
n' = 2, Balmer series (visible) Wavelength vary from 400 to 700 nm
n' = 3, Ritz-Paschen series (short wave infrared)
n' = 4, Pfund series (long wave infrared)
Thus, this formula agrees with all observed lines in the hydrogen spectrum. The above formula has been employed to calculate the spectra of the hydrogen atom.

Hope this helps.

Robert Henke / ableton

Emissary · Post by **Emissary** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 5:15 pm

Robert Henke wrote:Yellow ???? This is ridicules !

Look:

Many people tried to find the rules that govern their variation, and in the process many mathematical techniques have been employed. Among these attempts, there has been suggestions that the wavenumbers vary according to

RH
--- - K,
n2
where RH is the Rydberg constant, n an integer, and K some constant.

At the time when Bohr worked on this problem, Rutherford had shown that atoms consisted of small dense nuclei surrounded by very light electrons. Thus, Bohr thought the atom might be a minature solar system with electrons revolving around (like the planet) the nucleus (the Sun). He also applied Planck's quantum concept and implied that when the angular momentum of the revolving electron is of a certain value, the electron orbital is stable. He derived a formula that showed the energy of the photons of these lines vary according to

1 1
E = - RH ( --- - --- )
n2 4
and RH = 2.179E-18 J, is the Rydberg constant.
Depending on the units used for RH, the energy E of this formula can be wavenumbers or frequencies.

Furthermore, the formula also applies to lines of the hydrogen spectrum in the infrared and ultraviolet regions if the 4 is replaced by the square of some other integer, n'. Thus, the formula has a general form of

1 1
E = - R ( --- - --- )
n2 n'2
Depending on the value of n', we have the following series: n' = 1, Lyman series (ultraviolet)
n' = 2, Balmer series (visible) Wavelength vary from 400 to 700 nm
n' = 3, Ritz-Paschen series (short wave infrared)
n' = 4, Pfund series (long wave infrared)
Thus, this formula agrees with all observed lines in the hydrogen spectrum. The above formula has been employed to calculate the spectra of the hydrogen atom.

Hope this helps.

Robert Henke / ableton

This is rifdicolous!

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 5:21 pm

Emissary wrote:
Robert Henke wrote:Yellow ???? This is ridicules !

Look:

Many people tried to find the rules that govern their variation, and in the process many mathematical techniques have been employed. Among these attempts, there has been suggestions that the wavenumbers vary according to

RH
--- - K,
n2
where RH is the Rydberg constant, n an integer, and K some constant.

At the time when Bohr worked on this problem, Rutherford had shown that atoms consisted of small dense nuclei surrounded by very light electrons. Thus, Bohr thought the atom might be a minature solar system with electrons revolving around (like the planet) the nucleus (the Sun). He also applied Planck's quantum concept and implied that when the angular momentum of the revolving electron is of a certain value, the electron orbital is stable. He derived a formula that showed the energy of the photons of these lines vary according to

1 1
E = - RH ( --- - --- )
n2 4
and RH = 2.179E-18 J, is the Rydberg constant.
Depending on the units used for RH, the energy E of this formula can be wavenumbers or frequencies.

Furthermore, the formula also applies to lines of the hydrogen spectrum in the infrared and ultraviolet regions if the 4 is replaced by the square of some other integer, n'. Thus, the formula has a general form of

1 1
E = - R ( --- - --- )
n2 n'2
Depending on the value of n', we have the following series: n' = 1, Lyman series (ultraviolet)
n' = 2, Balmer series (visible) Wavelength vary from 400 to 700 nm
n' = 3, Ritz-Paschen series (short wave infrared)
n' = 4, Pfund series (long wave infrared)
Thus, this formula agrees with all observed lines in the hydrogen spectrum. The above formula has been employed to calculate the spectra of the hydrogen atom.

Hope this helps.

Robert Henke / ableton
This is rifdicolous!

You wanted the truth.

Cant you handle the truth?

noisetonepause · Post by **noisetonepause** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 5:55 pm

Robert -

While these theories would hold up if it weren't for the fact that when Tara was kidnapped by Chandra (not Sheila Chandra, but the moon goddess) it was Brahma who freed her, not her husband, Brihaspati. This was in turn responsible for the Great Germanic vowel shift of the thirteen hundreds that leaves your statements void.

So nerrr!

supster · Post by **supster** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 6:12 pm

Robert Henke wrote:Yellow ???? This is ridicules !

Look:

Many people tried to find the rules that govern their variation, and in the process many mathematical techniques have been employed. Among these attempts, there has been suggestions that the wavenumbers vary according to

RH
--- - K,
n2
where RH is the Rydberg constant, n an integer, and K some constant.

At the time when Bohr worked on this problem, Rutherford had shown that atoms consisted of small dense nuclei surrounded by very light electrons. Thus, Bohr thought the atom might be a minature solar system with electrons revolving around (like the planet) the nucleus (the Sun). He also applied Planck's quantum concept and implied that when the angular momentum of the revolving electron is of a certain value, the electron orbital is stable. He derived a formula that showed the energy of the photons of these lines vary according to

1 1
E = - RH ( --- - --- )
n2 4
and RH = 2.179E-18 J, is the Rydberg constant.
Depending on the units used for RH, the energy E of this formula can be wavenumbers or frequencies.

Furthermore, the formula also applies to lines of the hydrogen spectrum in the infrared and ultraviolet regions if the 4 is replaced by the square of some other integer, n'. Thus, the formula has a general form of

1 1
E = - R ( --- - --- )
n2 n'2
Depending on the value of n', we have the following series: n' = 1, Lyman series (ultraviolet)
n' = 2, Balmer series (visible) Wavelength vary from 400 to 700 nm
n' = 3, Ritz-Paschen series (short wave infrared)
n' = 4, Pfund series (long wave infrared)
Thus, this formula agrees with all observed lines in the hydrogen spectrum. The above formula has been employed to calculate the spectra of the hydrogen atom.

Hope this helps.

Robert Henke / ableton

actually, that would be RH -- - K2

but otherwise, its dead on, i totally disagree
.

noisetonepause · Post by **noisetonepause** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 6:28 pm

Oh, for crying out loud! Direct objects should be in the accusative! accusative! WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?!

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 6:51 pm

Hmm,
I used an analogue mixer to install Live before I installed it like you suggest. But, and this is the important bit - not before I had installed it first. But, before I pre-installed it. Using sub-components.

For example - take the session page, or the arangemant window ?
Simple, take a lead directly out of the session page into the box, then just install ONLY the session page as you require. Or only install half of the arrangement window by using the scrollbars.
Well after I realised that and read the 'installing before you install' section of the manual it was all immediately working before I tried it - but before that, with the smaller window that says' retry / continue' . Well, that wasn't there. I never saw that. I really don't think my computer has that window. Although I haven't looked on the back.

Anyway I hope that helps.

duncjam · Post by **duncjam** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 7:13 pm

I think Emissary is Chris Morris, I spotted a Blue Jam quote and a reference to heavy electricity in his posts...

dunc