ot...why i believe in the death penalty

stinky · Post by **stinky** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:12 am

jackmazzotti wrote:They need protection against devils in human skin.

Holy smokes folks, is there an exorcist in the house? Ooh, We've got a live one here.

You're a christian, and a basic tenet of christianity is forgiveness.

jackmazzotti · Post by **jackmazzotti** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:02 am

stinky wrote:
jackmazzotti wrote:They need protection against devils in human skin.
Holy smokes folks, is there an exorcist in the house? Ooh, We've got a live one here.

You're a christian, and a basic tenet of christianity is forgiveness.

everything must be taken context

another tenant of Christianity is justice and the wrath of God. Forgiveness through faith in Jesus Christ is escaping that. However society still needs to maintain law and order.

from Romans 13:1-4

1. Let every soul be in subjection to the higher authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those who exist are ordained by God.

2 Therefore he who resists the authority, withstands the ordinance of God; and those who withstand will receive to themselves judgment.

3 For rulers are not a terror to the good work, but to the evil. Do you desire to have no fear of the authority? Do that which is good, and you will have praise from the same,

4 for he is a servant of God to you for good. But if you do that which is evil, be afraid, for he doesn't bear the sword in vain; for he is a servant of God, an avenger for wrath to him who does evil.

stinky · Post by **stinky** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:21 am

jackmazzotti wrote:everything must be taken context

another tenant of Christianity is justice and the wrath of God. Forgiveness through faith in Jesus Christ is escaping that. However society still needs to maintain law and order.

from Romans 13:1-4

1. Let every soul be in subjection to the higher authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those who exist are ordained by God.

2 Therefore he who resists the authority, withstands the ordinance of God; and those who withstand will receive to themselves judgment.

3 For rulers are not a terror to the good work, but to the evil. Do you desire to have no fear of the authority? Do that which is good, and you will have praise from the same,

4 for he is a servant of God to you for good. But if you do that which is evil, be afraid, for he doesn't bear the sword in vain; for he is a servant of God, an avenger for wrath to him who does evil.

I don't see anything there that condones capital punishment.

jackmazzotti · Post by **jackmazzotti** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:31 am

and yet even another tenant of Christianity is "thou shall not lie"

but if I were in Nazi Germany and I was hiding Jews in a secret chamber and the ss came in and asked me if I were hiding Jews here I WOULD LIE and say no

wouldn't that make me a hypocrit by lying to the ss officer

the most important tenant of Christianity is to love God and love your neighbor

so yeah i am gonna lie to the ss to save the innocent Jews
If I got caught i would go to the same death camp
that is love
love costs something!

self righteousness (utterly despised by God btw) would say "yeah they are right here" and turn the Jews in for the gas chamber
but the self righteous one can say "but I didn't lie"

you didn't lie but you did murder by default

if you are a child rapist you need to be put down
what will i say to his next victim
"I don't want to be guilty of murder and i certainly want to be a nice fellow but I am sorry you were raped, plus I am an impotent, emasculated, coward"
you will not kill a child rapist but you raped a child by default by not taking action

but you get a gold star from NPR for being a nice boy!

sorry to shatter anyone's illusions but Christianity is not about wearing a robe and being a nice harmless, balless, cowardly, wimp

jackmazzotti · Post by **jackmazzotti** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:36 am

stinky wrote:
jackmazzotti wrote:everything must be taken context

another tenant of Christianity is justice and the wrath of God. Forgiveness through faith in Jesus Christ is escaping that. However society still needs to maintain law and order.

from Romans 13:1-4

1. Let every soul be in subjection to the higher authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those who exist are ordained by God.

2 Therefore he who resists the authority, withstands the ordinance of God; and those who withstand will receive to themselves judgment.

3 For rulers are not a terror to the good work, but to the evil. Do you desire to have no fear of the authority? Do that which is good, and you will have praise from the same,

4 for he is a servant of God to you for good. But if you do that which is evil, be afraid, for he doesn't bear the sword in vain; for he is a servant of God, an avenger for wrath to him who does evil.
I don't see anything there that condones capital punishment.

notice the word sword in verse 4
you don't spank with a sword or slap on the wrist with it
you kill with it

4 for he is a servant of God to you for good. But if you do that which is evil, be afraid, for he doesn't bear the SWORD in vain; for he is a servant of God, an avenger for wrath to him who does evil.

jackmazzotti · Post by **jackmazzotti** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:42 am

this guy is a hero in my eyes

http://www.tyritterprotection.com/

ethios4 · Post by **ethios4** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:21 am

I do my best to live my life in faith of Jesus Christ as well, and as such I am well aware that many people interpret the Bible to suit their own needs. I have conflicted feelings myself on the death penalty - death is not the worst thing that can happen, and impending death may play some role in the criminal's salvation....but mercy may play just as big a role, if not bigger. CS Lewis says that it is society's duty to the murderer to serve justice in the form of capital punishment, but I tend to believe it is never our place to serve such justice.

The fact is that the murderer/rapist is a sinner, and so are you, and so am I, so to condemn that person in such a way as you do (dehumanizing) not only reveals your own inhumanity and arrogance, but robs the murderer/rapist of their God-given right to be human and come to death in their own time.

I am not saying hug the murderer/rapist and be on your way...their actions are their choice, and such a person should absolutely be locked up to prevent them from being a danger to others or their own soul....but what you are talking about, and the way you talk about it, is bloody revenge and murder and betrays your own violent heart....

Matthew 7:3 for both of us

It's interesting that you would bring up Romans 13:3 and Nazis...the plot thickens...

leisuremuffin · Post by **leisuremuffin** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:24 am

sadly, the demon god of abraham is resposnible for some of the most violent things in the world.

should joshua have been put to death for murdering every woman and child in jericho?

the demon of abraham tells moses, "thou shall not murder" (not kill as commonly translated) and then moments later comandes his people to completely destroy entire cities and every lving thing in them, man woman child and beast. This is repeated over and over in dueterony and joshua.

it would be nice if the religions of abraham's demon, christianity, judaism and islam, were all about peace and love as they sometimes claim. history and the present prove that to be untrue.

i'd also love to think that an age of true morality where all living things are respected by all is coming. will it happen? perhaps, but the human race needs to transend power morality and really find THE SOURCE. the well from which all life springs. good luck to us.

.lm.

jackmazzotti · Post by **jackmazzotti** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 5:31 am

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,204648,00.html

rehab!!!....

please people

ethios4 · Post by **ethios4** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 6:26 am

nice jambient tunes, btw

hambone1 · Post by **hambone1** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 7:02 am

stinky wrote:a basic tenet of christianity is forgiveness.

Tell that to the 8 year old girl.

stinky wrote:Killing someone for doing it is not going to stem the possibility that the abused will also become the abuser, and hence, the cycle continues. That's why rehabilitation is the only possibility to stem this type of abuse from further happening. I would never condone this type of abuse, and have myself been abused (not sexually), so, you're diatribe is for naught.

Also, rehabilition in our current understanding is also not what i'm advocating. Jail is not rehabilition. In fact, jail is a school for every type of immorality.

IMO, termination (in a humane way) of abusers and all violent criminals will eventually break the cycle by removing them from the gene pool.

What concerns me is that those with a genetic predisposition for violence and abuse are probably breeding at a faster rate than those without. This exponentially increases their numbers in time.

funknotik · Post by **funknotik** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 8:18 am

A catholic priest who was previously brought to court on molestation charges resides in a local church in my community. Im not religious.

The code of HAMURABI!! An eye for an eye!

Kodama · Post by **Kodama** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:48 pm

leisuremuffin wrote:sadly, the demon god of abraham is resposnible for some of the most violent things in the world.

should joshua have been put to death for murdering every woman and child in jericho?

the demon of abraham tells moses, "thou shall not murder" (not kill as commonly translated) and then moments later comandes his people to completely destroy entire cities and every lving thing in them, man woman child and beast. This is repeated over and over in dueterony and joshua.

it would be nice if the religions of abraham's demon, christianity, judaism and islam, were all about peace and love as they sometimes claim. history and the present prove that to be untrue.

i'd also love to think that an age of true morality where all living things are respected by all is coming. will it happen? perhaps, but the human race needs to transend power morality and really find THE SOURCE. the well from which all life springs. good luck to us.

So true, the Christians gained fame as peace lovers who allowed them selves to be killed by lions.

Now they are the lions.

sqook · Post by **sqook** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:55 pm

hambone1 wrote: IMO, termination (in a humane way) of abusers and all violent criminals will eventually break the cycle by removing them from the gene pool.

So, the more criminals we execute, the fewer people we'll have to execute, right?

hambone1 · Post by **hambone1** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 7:54 pm

sqook wrote:
hambone1 wrote: IMO, termination (in a humane way) of abusers and all violent criminals will eventually break the cycle by removing them from the gene pool.
So, the more criminals we execute, the fewer people we'll have to execute, right?

Exactly!

Natural selection with a bit of help...