OT - Germans Push Europe on Holocaust

noisetonepause · Post by **noisetonepause** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:42 pm

shtreimel wrote:Anyway, I have nothing against athiesm. Just don't seem like the kinda folk I'd enjoy having a coffee with

That's how I feel about Jews.

Although I love it when they can't drink properly cos their FOOT LONG NOSES GET IN THE WAY

wanker

mercyplease · Post by **mercyplease** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:39 am

what a fucked up lot you are. each and everyone of you totally contradict your self on this thread based on what I have seen you write on others. Its not the subject matter, your just fucked in the head Your neither left right neo liberal your bits of them all rolled in to one.
but mostly your just fucked in the head with no sense of identity the deep insecurity is obvious
SPUNK ARSES

glu · Post by **glu** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:55 am

Tone Deft wrote:the Bush quote, that's fucked up.

Fuck these 'terrorists', if they're so fucking bad-ass to take down buildings with planes why the fuck can't they place 1 bullet in 1 Texan's head, it's the one thing east and west agree on. I'm so disappointed in them, losers.

my neighbor?

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:45 am

shtreimel wrote:Curious though. If you believe in God, then much of what we accept as "normal" in today's society is doing far more damage than anything the Christian Right is preaching. Take homosexuality...how is it possible that God Fearing Conservative Goverments (Canada and the US) would allow gay pride parades that include simulated acts of felatio and anal sex in the middle of the afternoon. I mean, God's punishment for anal sex is death by stoning. Why would any God fearing govt allow such blatant heresey.

We're living in postmodern era where almost anything goes so long as you don't maim or kill someone. Can we get more lenient?

And last I recall, most wars/deaths have been caused by secular govts:
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1121/p09s01-coop.html

Huh? "death by stoning" Are you retarded? You people who take your religious texts as seriously as that, to the point of talking about god wanting stonings? You're a nutcase. Seriously.
One thing cool about having a non moderated forum is you can reply to these sort of posts in the way that is most satisfying!

Shtreimel, anal sex is the bomb! There is nothing like convincing some nice sweet girl to let you fuck her ass until she's screaming in pain/pleasure. It's not only for gays, but I love gays for talking their fag hag girlfriends into at least trying it.
There is nothing worse in my mind than people who actively try to set rules on what people can and cannot do, when the activity in question (homosexuality/sodomy) has ZERO impact on their life.
I have plenty of born again christian, practicing jewish, catholic, and pagan friends. I learned a long time ago that religion and politics don't at all determine the level of ethics that an individual has, period.

djadonis206 · Post by **djadonis206** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 6:44 am

Do Atheist use American currency? curious...

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 7:00 am

glu wrote:
Tone Deft wrote:the Bush quote, that's fucked up.

Fuck these 'terrorists', if they're so fucking bad-ass to take down buildings with planes why the fuck can't they place 1 bullet in 1 Texan's head, it's the one thing east and west agree on. I'm so disappointed in them, losers.
my neighbor?

Living the high life.

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 7:34 am

djadonis206 wrote:Do Atheist use American currency? curious...

of course not! We use the blood of christians, but a jews or muslims blood will do in a pinch.

Me? I prefer dried aborted fetus's, they fit in your waller a lot easier.
Sorry to anybody trying to have a decent conversation, but really, how decent of a conversation can you have with intolerant religious nuts? [Statement not intended towards the tolerant religious.]

shtreimel · Post by **shtreimel** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:06 pm

Machinesworking... doth protest too much. Go look it up, you might learn something...about yourself.

The beauty of religion is that it asks us to transcend our senses. There are tons of things, in Judaism anyway, that suggests a Jew do that have little to do with harming yourself or someone else. It's like a relationship. It's expected that you don't beat your partner, but if that's all you're doing, you might as well as lube up a blowup doll.

Landser · Post by **Landser** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 4:16 pm

To the original poster:
it are NOT "the Germans".
It is the government. And this government, does not reflect the will of the people - like everywhere in the West, where this system is established.

For example: every year around 10.000 (tenthousend) peaceful people are put to trial in Germany, because of the mentioned thought "crimes". No mass media in the western world is talking and writing about that. They even call that democracy. And the "german" (in reality they should be called anti-german) goverments, want to criticize Russia or China because of limited freedom of speech. What a joke.

Demographic calculations show, that by 2045 the german population will have lost it's home to the muslim immigrants, if the civil occupants will not be transferred back, where they came from. A Genocide on the german nation.

The "german"-goverments of the last decades are fully responsible for that development. And it are the same political forces and forces behind the scenes, that want to expand the Holocau$t tought-police over all Europe, that are executing this biggest Genocide ever.

And the more people are asking the unanswered questions about the Holocau$t, the more strict the real power behind the scenes is trying to force the people to shut up. Today everyone can see, that the whole western world is indeed the hostage of a people and that the Holocau$t is the instrument, to force our nations to open our borders and accept the biggest genocide in history.

It is high the time for the Germans and all Europeans, to recognize, who is the driving force, the force behind this biggest genocide on the white race, to recognize the force, that makes the USA leading one war after the other, that is not in the interest of the US-people. But these wars are in the interest of another people...
No matter, if the USA are involved in a war for the interest of Israel, it can not win.

And the Holocau$t is the instrument, to make the european nations shut up and accept the biggest genocide ever: mass immigration to destroy the homogenity of our cultures and people.
No war in history was dangerous for the european blood. But this war, these forces are leading with the weapons of money and mass-media against our race, cultures and people, are.
With these weapons they even can call this genocide an act of humanity and vilify everyone, that names their intentions.

So we should be careful and fall not into the trap: it are not "the Americans" that are leading the wars. A HUGE majority of the US-Americans does not want the Iran war. And it will come nevertheless.

And it are not "the Germans" that want that inquisition and thought police. Tenthousands of peaceful german citizens in jails, more than in the worst times of the communistic GDR, are evidence enough.

And it are not the European nations, that wanted to lose their souveignity to a bureaucratically uncontrollable Brussels, lose their currencies and possibility to govern themselves, and they also do not want to lose their identiy and cultures to millions of civilian occupants. They were trapped into this by the power of mass media. After a few years in the jail of the EU, they recognize, what reality looks like. But then it is already to late.

But the international high-finance wants it that way. These forces are controlling mass-media and the economical system. And therefore the WallStreet controlled world is going in the direction it goes - no matter what parties are elected. The people don't recognize, that the tolerated established political parties are a necessary part of the game they call "Democracy" (but it is no Democracy!): to make the people believe, they are living in a democracy and they can influence politics. It is the most efficient tyranny ever: the tyranny of money: PLUTOCRACY.

And the Holocau$t with it's written and unwritten laws to protect this myth, is one instrument, where the power of Plutocracy is based on today: doubting the Holocau$t means doubting the "reality" spread by the mass-media and the political plutocratic system, and it leads directly to attacking the tyranny of money.

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 4:47 pm

shtreimel wrote:Machinesworking... doth protest too much. Go look it up, you might learn something...about yourself.

I won't learn anything from you. All your thoughts here do is reinforce my belief that mankind is still in it's infancy.

BTW if that was some sort of comment about my possibly being gay, if I was gay, I would be even more in your face about it. Gay to me, is not some sort of badge of dishonor, I see it as no different than saying you're into the Atkins diet, or that you play baseball every weekend, or go to church. It's just something I don't partake in, that others do. Shame on you for trying to parade gays as a universal type of person in the minority we can all be bigoted towards! I guess you take no notice that your own people have suffered countless untold tragedies at the hands of EXACTLY that sort of behavior! You know where the pink triangle came from? probably not.

There are few things that repulse me as much as close mindedness, and religious "conviction" is no excuse.
I've had plenty of gay friends, what they do in bed is of ZERO concern to me. I judge people based on their ethics towards others, and people who are intolerant towards lifestyles that are different than theirs, or who use their religious beliefs to parade that intolerance in public, but wait it's OK because my particular version of a two thousand year plus religious text says so.... It's just an excuse, and it is exactly the same sort of mindset that leads to ethnic cleansings, and religious wars.
Basically, you are very much the problem with the world today and in no way apart of any solution. Your religion, like all the others, preaches intolerance, wrapped in the cloak of sacred text, if you look for that sort of message in the pages. You look for it.
I'm done chatting with you about it, you've said plenty enough to let me know that you are basically a hopeless case. Congratulations, it's people like you that make me realize that we have a long way to go before we stop persecuting, and killing each other. We still haven't conquered our fear of the unknown..

Death by stoning....

shtreimel · Post by **shtreimel** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 6:56 pm

Machinesworking...the Shakespeare quote had nothing to do with being gay, yet everything to do with your wild rants about religion. But you go girl...keep on fighting a straw-man.

And then there’s the tin-foil hat above you…your logic is outstanding. In general, you're claiming that the holocaust is being used as a legitimate form of genocide because Muslims are taking over Germany. WHAT

Wouldn't it make more sense for JEWS to exploit the Holocaust and take back all those German/Polish villages and cities they once thrived in. Are you suggesting that JEWS and MULSIM are in cahoots about eradicating Germany? That's the most creative idea for peace yet. I love it. Unfortunately it's only a figment of your sick imagination.

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:36 am

shtreimel wrote:Machinesworking...the Shakespeare quote had nothing to do with being gay, yet everything to do with your wild rants about religion. But you go girl...keep on fighting a straw-man.

And then there’s the tin-foil hat above you…your logic is outstanding. In general, you're claiming that the holocaust is being used as a legitimate form of genocide because Muslims are taking over Germany. WHAT Wouldn't it make more sense for JEWS to exploit the Holocaust and take back all those German/Polish villages and cities they once thrived in. Are you suggesting that JEWS and MULSIM are in cahoots about eradicating Germany? That's the most creative idea for peace yet. I love it. Unfortunately it's only a figment of your sick imagination.

You are completely missing my point. While I'm not at all surprised, I'll simplify it for you.
You bringing up biblical claims that god wants us to stone gays to death as a jewish person is wildly ironic on a thread with references to your own peoples near genocide at the hands of people using the same sort of biblical claims to lay all blame for sin etc.on the jews.
You are part of the problem, very much so, congratulations! The pattern is called "sympathizing with the abuser" in psychotherapy.

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:58 am

On second though, you couldn't possibly have come to that conclusion from my earlier posts. Probably confusing me with someone else, or you're really much more out there mentally than I thought?

shtreimel · Post by **shtreimel** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:59 pm

Machinesworking...I'm going to go slow...s-l-o-w. Ok? Here we go. My original quote:

"how is it possible that God Fearing Conservative Goverments (Canada and the US) would allow gay pride parades that include simulated acts of felatio and anal sex in the middle of the afternoon. I mean, God's punishment for anal sex is death by stoning. Why would any God fearing govt allow such blatant heresey."

My quote had to do with someone laying blame all the world's problems on a God-fearing govt. My point is that their power is not nearly as far reaching as say, Iran...though some claim it's worse. They're nuts. I've been to gay pride parades in Toronto, Montreal...hell, even in Israel where simulated acts of oral and anal sex are performed in the middle of the afternoon and these "Right Wing God Fearing" govts let 'em happen. Personally, I think it's disgusting to allow this to take place in the middle of the afternoon - gay or straight - but that's another matter altogether.

Not once did I sanction "death by stoning" and if you know anything about Halacha (Jewish Law), you'd know that rabbi's haven't issued, if ever, "death by stoning" in over 2000 years.

So I'm not sure which problem you're refering to? If you mean that religious people contribute to more of the world ills than non-religious people...I challenge you to attend any synagogue...from any movement...on a sabbath. You'll be fed well, hang out with some extremely bright folk and learn a thing or two. No stones, guns or speeches about beheadings or nuclear holocausts.

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:32 pm

shtreimel wrote:Machinesworking...I'm going to go slow...s-l-o-w. Ok? Here we go. My original quote:

"how is it possible that God Fearing Conservative Goverments (Canada and the US) would allow gay pride parades that include simulated acts of felatio and anal sex in the middle of the afternoon. I mean, God's punishment for anal sex is death by stoning. Why would any God fearing govt allow such blatant heresey."

My quote had to do with someone laying blame all the world's problems on a God-fearing govt. My point is that their power is not nearly as far reaching as say, Iran...though some claim it's worse. They're nuts. I've been to gay pride parades in Toronto, Montreal...hell, even in Israel where simulated acts of oral and anal sex are performed in the middle of the afternoon and these "Right Wing God Fearing" govts let 'em happen. Personally, I think it's disgusting to allow this to take place in the middle of the afternoon - gay or straight - but that's another matter altogether.

Not once did I sanction "death by stoning" and if you know anything about Halacha (Jewish Law), you'd know that rabbi's haven't issued, if ever, "death by stoning" in over 2000 years.

So I'm not sure which problem you're refering to? If you mean that religious people contribute to more of the world ills than non-religious people...I challenge you to attend any synagogue...from any movement...on a sabbath. You'll be fed well, hang out with some extremely bright folk and learn a thing or two. No stones, guns or speeches about beheadings or nuclear holocausts.

You're trying to get around the basic disagreement we have here. You stated a biblical "law" as a permissible in "gods" opinion way of dealing with sodomy. If you are truly a religious person, and the passage you referenced was relevant to you, and EVERY dammed thing out of your mouth in this thread points that way, then whether it is practiced now by the elders in your temple of worship or not has NOTHING to do with the simple fact that you brought it up out of your hatred for gays, period. You couldn't bring it up without stating your personal disgust.

My guess is you would not be opposed to hasidic law being the norm in the states, and in that case, the possible return of this practice.
Seriously, you've already made blanket statements about atheists and homosexuals on a thread where it would seem prudent to stick to the subject matter at hand; whether or not banning racist text and teachings is a way of dealing with it, and what you think about the consequences of that are.
But no, here you are talking about ancient practices of stoning gays, then stating your dislike of gays, and commenting about how you choose not to hang out with atheists..... prejudice comes in many forms.
Now I know this will never end, you will come back with some sort of convoluted explanation as to why it's OK for you to act like a bigot in this thread, and in general etc. but you really can't change the fact that you're an intolerant human being, and in that sense, right in line with the holocaust revisionists you probably hate.

Like I said it's called sympathizing with the abuser.