Should I buy D16 drum synthesizers, or can I make the sound?

[disco judas]

Should I buy D16 drum synthesizers, or could this all be synthesized with Live8 Suite synthesizers in racks?

Im only interested in the sounds this synthesizers produce, but I think they got few parameters to tweak...
Anyone synthesized the Drumazon bassdrum with Operator?

[v00d00ppl]

the d16 is more like an 808 synthesizer.........many synths like novation drumstation already have had a feature like this......

are you looking to do more than 808 sounds?

because with sampler, you can design some dope drum hits you sampled from a record and add on oscillator to that sound....

you can also develop kick drums via operator and just send out the signal as audio on live's mixer.

you can synthesize percussion instruments via collision as well, but since it is cpu intensive i would recommend sending out the end result as audio right away and then playing the sound via drum racks.

it all depends on what you want.

[leedsquietman]

Drum Machines with drum racks has tons of 808 and 909 kits. Which are excellent.

D16s products are very, very good (nepheton and drumazon) and great if you work in more than one DAW as a plugin.
Whether you need to spend on them given Drum Machines and Drum Racks, is debatable though.

The advice from above re Sampler is definately good advice.

[glitchrock-buddha]

It depends on how picky about the sound you are and also how much tweakability you want. There are so many 808 and 909 samples out there. Most people won't tell the difference just listening to the final product. The live suite drum machines are pretty good, and they've done a good job emulating the original parameters. I have to say though that the d16 ones are the best I've ever heard. They also have more range in the parameters, for example the Drumazon bass kick is much more versatile than the ableton drum machines. Those real analog drum machines can sound different to each other so different sample sets can be a bit different, but I think the d16 ones sound just awesome. There is also the benefit of being a plug-in, which means for example all the parameters are together for automapping or configuring the order of parameters how you like. But of course the drum rack versions have the benefit being able to load just one of the drum sounds into your own mixed kit.

[disco judas]

Thanks !

I already have a 909, but for this topic im not interested in recorded audio, only synthesis.
It seems to me like the nepheton "patches" is seemingly straight forward and should be realizable with operator alone, no?

I also own Max/msp, so Im curious wether investing money in d16 products is smarter than investing time n doing it myself, if its achievable. Since there is no juicy fat filters producing this sounds, I am curious about what
difficulties I would face, especially with drumazon.


Cheers

[glitchrock-buddha]

Thanks !

I already have a 909, but for this topic im not interested in recorded audio, only synthesis.
It seems to me like the nepheton "patches" is seemingly straight forward and should be realizable with operator alone, no?

I also own Max/msp, so Im curious wether investing money in d16 products is smarter than investing time n doing it myself, if its achievable. Since there is no juicy fat filters producing this sounds, I am curious about what
difficulties I would face, especially with drumazon.


Cheers

Well you can get close to 808 sounds using operator. In fact there isn operator 808 drum rack in the library I believe.
Drumazon/909 sounds are much harder. But if you already have a 909, why do you care about reproducing Drumazon sounds? For software 909's I'd use sampled kits or Drumazon, that's about it.

[disco judas]

Thanks

I like software synthesis because I like to tweak. But Drumazon is not tweakable enough for me.
I like more flexibility.



Cheers

[glitchrock-buddha]

Thanks

I like software synthesis because I like to tweak. But Drumazon is not tweakable enough for me.
I like more flexibility.

Oh ok I gotcha. Well for heavy tweaking I'd say operators in drum racks are a pretty good way to go for sure. But don't overlook sampler either. Even though you start with a sample, it has a fair bit of tweaking available, and fm even.
And If it wasn't so cpu crazy I'd say use collisions in drum racks as well.

[Android Bishop]

Operator and sampler along with some good effects are pretty much all you'll ever need for drum synthesis.

I also enjoy microtonic quite a bit, but its not quite as flexible or expansive as operator. Still though, I usually end up doing most of my drums in microtonic cause its easy and produces good results quickly

[disco judas]

Operator and sampler along with some good effects are pretty much all you'll ever need for drum synthesis.

I also enjoy microtonic quite a bit, but its not quite as flexible or expansive as operator. Still though, I usually end up doing most of my drums in microtonic cause its easy and produces good results quickly

Thanks!

Do you think the "sound colour" is unique to microtonic?
Its all just basic stuff, isnt it? Whitenoise, sinewaves, saturators etc.

I wonder If I actually need any vsts at all


Cheers

[disco judas]

Thanks

I like software synthesis because I like to tweak. But Drumazon is not tweakable enough for me.
I like more flexibility.

Oh ok I gotcha. Well for heavy tweaking I'd say operators in drum racks are a pretty good way to go for sure. But don't overlook sampler either. Even though you start with a sample, it has a fair bit of tweaking available, and fm even.
And If it wasn't so cpu crazy I'd say use collisions in drum racks as well.

Its great that collision has a pitch envelope, but this synths badly needs a modulation matrix, I love the sound of them, but they are not well thought out. Abes should check out Thor ! And add to this, zones/thresholds for parameter automation


Cheers

[sonsofthehounds]

microtonic doesn't not dissapoint....could do with some lfo's but the sound range is wide and varied....real fun too...a basic go to instrument.

the swing is nice too....

[disco judas]

Is it more to the swing than delaying the the 8th notes?