Should I upgrade?
Should I upgrade?
I have a remix project I'll be starting on in the next month or so, and I'd love to use Live exclusively to do this. I usually use some feature in Live, but use Logic as my main host. Some of the new stuff in Live 8 would be helpful I think, but in live 7 I tried to import a long track for a song (a vocal that was about 2:00 min long) and the timing was all screwy, and I couldn't use live for this which was disappointing. I know you may be thinking I just didn't turn warp off, but I did, and live still did this odd subtle shifting of the audio. I wrote about it in the forum and a couple people said they had had trouble with this as well. So, with all the cool stuff in 8, it still wouldn't be worth the upgrade for this project if Live can't play the tracks back exactly as they were. I need to CHOOSE the changes I make. Does anyone know if this problem was addressed? I guess I could cut everything up into smaller audio files in Logic, and bring them into live, since it seems to do pretty well with short clips. That would be a pain. I'm hoping the new version would mean I wouldn't have to fool with that.
-
funky shit
- Posts: 3977
- Joined: Thu May 24, 2007 9:50 pm
- Location: Earth
Re: Should I upgrade?
download the demo of 8 and get used to the new warping feature.
Ive found it pretty awesome with vocals!
Ive found it pretty awesome with vocals!
-
contakt321
- Posts: 1523
- Joined: Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:39 pm
- Location: NYC
Re: Should I upgrade?
Can you expand on the problem you are having with vocals?
If you have the warp mode turned off, there shouldn't be any issues with audio - the only thing is that it will be at the original BPM.
For remixes, I tend to do this:
Bring the original mix and accapella into Live.
Determine BPM and Warp the Original (so it will play back at your desired tempo in time)
Use the BPM of the original as a starting point for Warping the Accapella (so it will play back at your desired tempo in time)
After Warping, I resample the WARPED Accapella to a new track - this way, this new version is natively at your desired tempo, giving you the ability to slice to drumracks, simpler, chop, stutter, etc with no ill effects.
That's what works for me - hope that makes sense.
If you have the warp mode turned off, there shouldn't be any issues with audio - the only thing is that it will be at the original BPM.
For remixes, I tend to do this:
Bring the original mix and accapella into Live.
Determine BPM and Warp the Original (so it will play back at your desired tempo in time)
Use the BPM of the original as a starting point for Warping the Accapella (so it will play back at your desired tempo in time)
After Warping, I resample the WARPED Accapella to a new track - this way, this new version is natively at your desired tempo, giving you the ability to slice to drumracks, simpler, chop, stutter, etc with no ill effects.
That's what works for me - hope that makes sense.
Re: Should I upgrade?
Thanks for the replies.
contakt321, to answer your question, there really isn't much to expand on. I imported an entire instrumental mix, and a vocal that myself and another producer had recorded and we edited the $#%! out of it. There was no autotuning, but the girl who sang on it ran through 6 times on each line, many of them different ideas she had. We constructed melodies using snippets of these different takes. The whole point here is that I knew the vocal part in a very intimate way, we got to the point of cross fading from part of one take to another for the different parts of diphthongs. Yes, it was obsessive, and probably stupid in retrospect, but thats not the point here. When I dropped it into the arrange page in a live session that already had the correct tempo set, all that intricate work got jumbled into something different. The timing was off. Not by much, but the vocal was imprecise. And it wasn't a timing issue you could nudge the region (clip) back, or forward and fix. It was like the timing had been compressed in some places, and expanded in others in subtle ways. It was very disappointing, but I couldn't use live because of this. I know that you are supposed to be able to turn warping off for the clip and it's supposed to play exactly as is, but I'm telling you, it made no difference, the problems were still there. It was strange. Maybe if I would have screwed with it more, it might have worked, but I was trying to get this done, and I just did without the stuff I was going to do in live and went back into logic. I might try your suggestion (thank you for that) but at the time, I just wanted to drop these tracks in, and not use any warping, but use live racks to process some things. If you see some problem with what I was trying to do, please point it out, but this seems like one of the simplest things you can do with a DAW, and it was a problem. Thanks again for any advice and thank you both for your suggestions.
BTW, can you render with the demo for duration of the trial?
contakt321, to answer your question, there really isn't much to expand on. I imported an entire instrumental mix, and a vocal that myself and another producer had recorded and we edited the $#%! out of it. There was no autotuning, but the girl who sang on it ran through 6 times on each line, many of them different ideas she had. We constructed melodies using snippets of these different takes. The whole point here is that I knew the vocal part in a very intimate way, we got to the point of cross fading from part of one take to another for the different parts of diphthongs. Yes, it was obsessive, and probably stupid in retrospect, but thats not the point here. When I dropped it into the arrange page in a live session that already had the correct tempo set, all that intricate work got jumbled into something different. The timing was off. Not by much, but the vocal was imprecise. And it wasn't a timing issue you could nudge the region (clip) back, or forward and fix. It was like the timing had been compressed in some places, and expanded in others in subtle ways. It was very disappointing, but I couldn't use live because of this. I know that you are supposed to be able to turn warping off for the clip and it's supposed to play exactly as is, but I'm telling you, it made no difference, the problems were still there. It was strange. Maybe if I would have screwed with it more, it might have worked, but I was trying to get this done, and I just did without the stuff I was going to do in live and went back into logic. I might try your suggestion (thank you for that) but at the time, I just wanted to drop these tracks in, and not use any warping, but use live racks to process some things. If you see some problem with what I was trying to do, please point it out, but this seems like one of the simplest things you can do with a DAW, and it was a problem. Thanks again for any advice and thank you both for your suggestions.
BTW, can you render with the demo for duration of the trial?