I haven't left my basement all day...

[technog0d]

I haven't left my basement all day. I am not sure if it is day or night. This is the integration that I have been waiting for. My mind is going crazy with all of these ideas... I am not sure if i will see light for a few days. But, when i come up, i think i will have some real useful creative tools in my studio. Right now I am working on Lemur patches that will allow integration with Live. I am using a combination of OSC and Live I/O to create some interesting tools. I am not really sure where I am going yet with it, because again I am way to excited. Luckily I have been a MAX and Live user for a long time, so I have a little bit of a head start. I just need to convert some things to fit in M4L... Anyhow, enough of the chit chat. I Just wanted to share my excitement.

[gato.rui]

please keep us posted!

[technog0d]

I have created a new M4L/Lemur project that is a 16 step sequencer. It uses the Live.Step object and is controlled by Live and OSC.

So far here is what is working:

- Lemur 16 step multislider for Notes that corresponds to the steps of the Live.Step object
- Lemur 16 step multislider that selects octave of each individual step
- Lemur range object that you can select the step range with and a button to toggle sliding if the range
- Lemur Fold button to toggle Fold on and off
- Note Multislider get current step highlighted that corresponds to live.step current step.

Working on:

- turn off note for step when note multislider has 0 value (No visible step)
- Zoom and pan functions
- Send current state (Both directions)

Probably have some other ideas as i go...

[vanceg]

Go Cat, Go! (words of encouragement)

So, are you using Live or the Lemur to drive the timing of the step sequencer? That is, is Lemur simply a controller, or is it the sequence clock for the system? I assume Lemur is 'just' acting as a controller.

Vance

[technog0d]

Live is doing all of the timing. It is very nicely integrated. All the transport works through Live's normal interface and the Lemur follows. So yeah, I am using the Lemur as a controller for the sequencer. All control signals are routed To/From the Lemur through OSC. It is SOOOO nice not having to create a intermediary MAX patch and then connect it to Live. You just turn on the Lemur, pix your patch and through the device on the track that you want in Live. I will probably create a screencast when I get a little further. Now i am just trying to figure out how to dump the step sequencer values from the Live.Step to my Lemur on insert of the patch. I think i might have to use a Coll to save it. hmmm

[gato.rui]

hey technog0d

i'm trying to replicate some of the stuff you've done with live.step and the lemur, but not with much sucess..

can you explain how do you access the notes with a multislider?

i'm familiar with the udpsend / udpreceive stuff, as also the pack / unpack and the route for osc messages, just don't know here to point in the live.step object

cheers!

[technog0d]

What i did.. And, It's not necessarily the right, is the following

I used a, "udp receive 8000" --> attached to a,"route /Note/val1 /osc/val2".... The, "/Note/Val" was then connected to a "unpack i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i". EACH of the 16 outputs was connected to a "sprintf step 1 %ld %ld %ld". And then each one of those went to the left in of the live.step. Of course that sprintf statement changes step value for each unpack out. So the first one is "sprintf step 1" and the second "sprintf step 2" etc... because the live.step is looking for the following input.

Step [number] [midi note o-127] [note velocity 0-127] [duration]

In my implementation, I used 4 16 part multisliders (Notes, Octave, Length. and Velocity). The Octave slider uses a formula with the note sliders to send the Note value. So octave 0 with the note (1-12) will send 1-12 from the Lemur. Octave 1 with notes 1-12 will send 13-24 from the Lemur. Each step can have a different Octave value. Length and Velocity are sent directly to the Max patch. I hope this makes sense.

Here is the patch I created for the Lemur-in communications. There are probably better ways to do it. You can copy and paste it into a patcher.

Patch:

[edit] uncompressed format replaced by compressed version below[/edit]

[Machinate]

hey, okay first things: please at least upload code in "copy compressed" format - this thread is now a gazillion pages long

Secondly, don't you need some extra bangs in there? The way I read that patch you only get updated stage info when you manipulate the "note/value" multislider on your lemur - is that not correct?

[gato.rui]

here it is compressed, and cosmeticaly arranged

going to test it tomorrow, my lemur stayed in the studio, the basterd!

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[technog0d]

ahhh... That's the secret... The question to me is always whether to do it on the Lemur or in Max. My philosophy is anything that is not timing related and can be done without sending it across the network, should be done on the Lemur. So... I created a script that resends that triggers Note.x on the Lemur which sends /Note/x values whenever Velocity, Length, and/or Duration is updated. This makes it so you do not need the extra bangs.

Here is the Lemur script that i call on Note.x, Velocity.x, Octave.x, and Length.x

oscNoteOut() script:


decl i, Oct,NNote;

for (i=0;i<16;i++)
{
Oct = range (Octave.x,0,8);
NNote = abs((Oct * 12) + range(Note.x,1,12));
}
oscout(0,'/Note/val',NNote);

[longjohns]

noob question:

i am looking at javascript in those examples? ^^ (aside from the compressed one)

[technog0d]

noob question:

i am looking at javascript in those examples? ^^ (aside from the compressed one)

The only one that is based on java script is this piece:

The Lemur scripting is based off of Javascript. This has nothing to do with MAX or Live. Albeit, you can use javascript with MAX. None of the examples in this thread are related to MAX... If that makes sense.

oscNoteOut() script:


decl i, Oct,NNote;

for (i=0;i<16;i++)
{
Oct = range (Octave.x,0,8);
NNote = abs((Oct * 12) + range(Note.x,1,12));
}
oscout(0,'/Note/val',NNote);

[Machinate]

My philosophy is anything that is not timing related and can be done without sending it across the network, should be done on the Lemur. So... I created a script that resends that triggers Note.x on the Lemur which sends /Note/x values whenever Velocity, Length, and/or Duration is updated.

uhm.... aren't you contradicting yourself a bit there, hehe? You're saying that you don't want to send unneccesary data across the network, yet you've done a script that sends extra data across the network?

[t b l] is your friend. Two of those ought to get you the same result as scripting on the lemur. My philosophy is that scripting on the lemur should only be done when you can't do it in max

I think I got a bit meticulous about this patch - I'm afraid I enjoyed this a bit too much. And it pains me that I can't remember how to pair up [zl interleave] objects properly... I have a patch that does that round here. Generally I try to avoid large pack/unpack operations, since staying in list-land usually keeps things simple

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[technog0d]

Thanks for the optimized patch, Machinate... I have been thinking about it... And, I think i have a WAYYYYYY more optimized way of doing it. I will create the patch today that will solve many issues. I think i will use the, "funnel" command which will take my 16 step output from route and output two parameters, the index and the value. This way I will note have to do everything 16 times. Additionally, I will output the value of the funnel into a, "coll" in so that i can save it to send back to the Lemur when a pattern is saved.

Machinate, You were absolutely right about sending more data from the Lemur. As I said... I was in the basement to long and wasn't thinking straight.

[Machinate]

Thanks for the optimized patch, Machinate... I have been thinking about it... And, I think i have a WAYYYYYY more optimized way of doing it. I will create the patch today that will solve many issues. I think i will use the, "funnel" command which will take my 16 step output from route and output two parameters, the index and the value. This way I will note have to do everything 16 times. Additionally, I will output the value of the funnel into a, "coll" in so that i can save it to send back to the Lemur when a pattern is saved.

Machinate, You were absolutely right about sending more data from the Lemur. As I said... I was in the basement to long and wasn't thinking straight.

hey, that's the point of these forums, isn't it? Keep posting what you come up with!