Drum racks, my weakest area

[outershpongolia]

Hook me up with a sick drum rack!

Since I stared messing with Live i've totally disregarded the drum racks, cause I got a live drummer working with me so I haven't been needing it.

Now we'd like to put together a "PA" setup where he's triggering drum beats, sampling, choppin' shit up, glitchin' it out and that kind of thing.

If anyone can point me in the direction of some pre-made drum racks with samples that'd be awesome. We're goin for hip hop, dubstep, and psychadelic type stuff.

OR if you just got some sweet samples or tips and tricks to getting our sounds a little fuller, HELP ME OUT!

Recently picked up an LPD8 and I'm trying to load the 4 presets with 4 different best-of-the-best drum sets (8 sounds per set)

If someone really surprises me and hooks me up real nice I'll do a logo or some design stuff for ya on the quicks!

[outershpongolia]

Wait, so drum racks aren't velocity sensitive until you set them to?

I understand my LPD8 doesn't have the option to change the velocity curve but it seems like the velocity sensitivity is wack so far.. or I'm just doing it wrong in the sampler..

[madlab]

Which live instrument do you use for drum racks ?

[outershpongolia]

I'm pretty sure it's a sampler, shit, should I be using something else?

I didn't realize that drum racks were samplers, or simplers, not sure I'd have to look.

I almost came back with the smart ass response "uhhh.. drumracks... duh!" until I realized what you were asking.

[schnerg]

something that will save you time down the road:

open simpler, and set voices to 1 and amp>velocity to 80% or higher (whatever you use for drums)

save that simpler as 'drum simpler' or whatever.

then create a drum rack, and load that saved simpler into a bunch of pads.
then save the whole thing as a drum rack

just be sure when you drag samples into the rack you move them directly into each simpler, not on the pad itself - that will overwrite the simpler.

if you find youself using the same kits often you can set your pans for hats and name the simplers too etc.

[madlab]

something that will save you time down the road:

open simpler, and set voices to 1 and amp>velocity to 80% or higher (whatever you use for drums)

save that simpler as 'drum simpler' or whatever.

then create a drum rack, and load that saved simpler into a bunch of pads.
then save the whole thing as a drum rack

just be sure when you drag samples into the rack you move them directly into each simpler, not on the pad itself - that will overwrite the simpler.

if you find youself using the same kits often you can set your pans for hats and name the simplers too etc.

You can improve this by saving a simpler setting as the default drum rack unit, thus avoiding to load your rack everytime. This has already been described on the forum.

[madlab]

I'm pretty sure it's a sampler, shit, should I be using something else?

I didn't realize that drum racks were samplers, or simplers, not sure I'd have to look.

I almost came back with the smart ass response "uhhh.. drumracks... duh!" until I realized what you were asking.

The sound design capabilities of drum racks come from this approach.

[outershpongolia]

My bad, they are Simplers..

Thanks for the tips, i'll check them out when I get back from school/work..

I noticed if you put the Velocity up you need to turn the volume wayyy down. but I guess that makes sense cause I've been raising the level from that -12 to a good volume, since I didn't set the velocity at all, and voices are still at 6 I believe..

What are voices anyways?

[arafel]

Re:Voices?

voices are the number of 'samples' that the Simpler will play at the same time. ie polyphony.

If a sampler (like Simpler) needs to play a 3 note chord.. then it will need 3 voices.

But for drums...
Voices greater than 1 means that you could have multiple hits of the same sample playing at the same time, or slightly out of time with each other... usually not so good for drums.

A voice of 1 (like a monophonic synth) means that each new drum hit will cut off the previous hit, and then play the hit again.. sorta like a drummer hitting the skin again and again.

Hope that helps.. not the best explanation.

[outershpongolia]

ooh I see.. So you don't want the bass drum hit to over lap the next bass drum hit, you'd want it to stop when the next hit comes in.

So for crash cymbals you might want a couple voices so you get a more realistic sound, but for hi-hats it would make sense to only have one voice.

Thanks for clearing that up, and no, the explanation was perfect.

[ionic]

for me, the power of drum racks best for production. what i will do a lot is get some banging drum patterns goin with glitches, bleeps, whooshes, etc. then i will right click in the device area (the list of all the chains) and extract the chains from the rack so that each drum gets its own track so i can automate each part (snare, kick, hats, FX, etc.)

as far as live racks, i would just trigger clips instead. this way you can launch clips (any piece of audio) on time. on the left side of thee clip, there is a little circular button in the far left corner that says "L". this stands for launch settings. here you can the launch quiatization. for more of a drum rack "live feel" you can turn the quantization off. experiment with what works for each individual clip. choose all of the clips you plan on using in your live set and map each one to your midi controller. you can even replace the clips during your set and everything will remain mapped. clips are def the way to go, imo. hit me up if you need any more help with this. i can give you more detailed process if you hit me up, this goes for anybody. im online a lot and would be more than willing to help you out with whatever!

AIM: ianks07

ps. if you are down to do graphics, lemmeno!

love+light

[outershpongolia]

^ For the live stuff we're definitely going to be using clips, I'm talkin about making all those clips at home, you know, producing them.. Then we'll just have an arsenal of MIDI clips or bounced down audio clips to trigger live.