Recording Midi Ouput via Beat Repeat/Livecut?

[oldbetseysatan]

Hi guys,

I know I can record the midi output of, say, the Arpeggiator but is it possible to capture the midi coming off of plugs like Beat Repeat and Livecut?

I could have sworn I read about this a year or two ago but my searches didn't bring anything up.

Maybe not but thought I'd ask...

Cheers,

R.

[oldbetseysatan]

Slight bump for the gurus maybe?

Did the Coverts ever do a tutorial on this?

Cheers fellas (and felines)

R.

[chapelier fou]

I don't understand. Beatrepeat and livecut are audio effects, they don't output MIDI.

[oldbetseysatan]

I don't understand. Beatrepeat and livecut are audio effects, they don't output MIDI.

Yeah I know... And I'm sure I'm way off base here but for some reason I seem to remember some way to capture the random midiness of it all.

Maybe it was just some wacky Arpeggiator set-up or something?

Oh well.

Cheers though,

R.

[chapelier fou]

Sorry, could you explain what you mean by the "midiness" ?
What is your goal?

[oldbetseysatan]

Sorry, could you explain what you mean by the "midiness" ?
What is your goal?

Hahaha, Sorry.

Midiness is just a stupid way of saying random midi-output.

Basically I wanted to record the midi output (as opposed to the audio output) of individual drum channels. That way I could edit out the midi sections that I liked but without having to settle on the actual sounds before I was ready to place them in the track.

Quite often I'll have Livecut running under a simple template pattern just to add a little spice while I'm writing and it would be nice to be able to save some of this randomness if I find something is working particularly well.

Not a big deal to be honest, just a wish more than anything.

R.

[3dot...]

Sorry, could you explain what you mean by the "midiness" ?
What is your goal?

Hahaha, Sorry.

Midiness is just a stupid way of saying random midi-output.

Basically I wanted to record the midi output (as opposed to the audio output) of individual drum channels. That way I could edit out the midi sections that I liked but without having to settle on the actual sounds before I was ready to place them in the track.

Quite often I'll have Livecut running under a simple template pattern just to add a little spice while I'm writing and it would be nice to be able to save some of this randomness if I find something is working particularly well.

Not a big deal to be honest, just a wish more than anything.

R.

...record the audio... save the cool parts

[11olsen]

what you are searching for is a midi shuffler or somthing.
never heard about such thing.
actually it would be cool to have something like livecut on the midi level
to do it non destructivly.
anyone?

[oldbetseysatan]

...record the audio... save the cool parts

Yep, Been there. Done that.

Would like to do it with the midi data though.

R.

[3dot...]

...there is no midi data man..

[chapelier fou]

After an audio effect, indeed, you only deal with audio.
No offense, but something is not clear in your mind, or you don't explain it well. I'd be happy to help but I can't.

[oldbetseysatan]

After an audio effect, indeed, you only deal with audio.
No offense, but something is not clear in your mind, or you don't explain it well. I'd be happy to help but I can't.

Hahaha... No offense taken! But everything is indeed clear in my mind!

What I really need, as 11olsen pointed out, is a audio-to-midi version of Livecut or Beat Repeat that can fire out midi based on the randomness it generates.

It doesn't seem to exist although I was hoping that it did.

There's probably some Reaktor program that does it. Or maybe Max.

I could always strap individual Livecut's over single channels, record the output and then convert the audio to midi but that wouldn't really be very close to the way those affects cut up beats and, to be honest, would be a pain and quite probably not very fun!

Oh well, no biggie. I'll just stick with improvising with Beat Repeat and Livecut and chopping out the best bits as I've always done before.

Thanks anyway,

R.

[monohusche]

nice idea, basically there would be two alternatives, at least in my mind.

1. beat detection after beat repeat, conversion into MIDI

I guess, that's not super easy/reliable as it comes down to identifying transients in audio (e.g. live warp markers or recycle). and those tools cater for it by allowing you to change parameters such as sensitivity. Not all aspects of BeatRepeat could be covered such as Pitch decay etc.

But definitely doable, I think.

2. Midi Beat Repeat

That sounds actually more promising. Basically put this device between your midi stream and your instrument. Based on various controls such as grid,range, variation, chance, decay (velocity), you would get quite some randomness, you could even get pitch decay when putting pitched instruments behind it. In case of drums, you would need drumracks with the same drumsounds at different pitches.


I put this on my list of to-do M4L devices

cheers and good nite, nick

[tromo]

do you mean recording the automation lines?

if thats the case, you could duplicate your instrument track and once you've got a few sequences you like from recording in the arrangement view, expand and add the automation curves tracks so that you can isolate and copy all the automation lines at once and paste them into the duplicate track's respective parameter tracks. This is a cool approach because then you can pull out specific sequences, place them on the same transient (or whatever you're applying the effects to) and take better care lining it up, or make it a repeatable sequence, etc etc.

I do that now and then when I go into knob twisting frenzies and come up with a couple specific things i like.

[outershpongolia]

You need a beat repeat that repeats MIDI notes rather than repeating the audio.

I think it'd be pretty sweet, it'd just repeat the MIDI notes that get sent through the beat repeat, and then you can record the MIDI into another track..

I think this is what you'd want, and what you're trying to explain.