how can i move audio while retaining its original position

[vudoo]

I do this in PT all the times....select an audio segment and move it to another audio track while keeping its original position ( sample accurate ). The grid is only practical if you're doing music ( bar, 1/8, 1/16....) but not when you want sample accuracy needed for post or even serious editing. Hope i miss something, otherwise, live seems ok as a sketchpad but really not made for editing.

[simonlb]

For starters have you set the snap to grid resolution to "Off"?

[massenmedium]

That won't help with retaining its position on the timeline.

Live really really needs editing modifiers to constrain horizontal or vertical movement. Can't understand why that's not in there yet.

[siliconarc]

I do this in PT all the times....select an audio segment and move it to another audio track while keeping its original position ( sample accurate ). The grid is only practical if you're doing music ( bar, 1/8, 1/16....) but not when you want sample accuracy needed for post or even serious editing. Hope i miss something, otherwise, live seems ok as a sketchpad but really not made for editing.

click-hold the clip and press 'cmd'. now move the part. the clip snaps to the relative position. you'll see a little green arrow showing the original position. it will also snap relative to the grid too, if you move the part around.

[massenmedium]

No, with snap-to-grid off when you click on the clip and/or start moving it and then hold 'alt' (or Mac equiv) you get the green marker for snapping to the original position.

When stg is on it nehaves as you say.

[siliconarc]

SheiLuser, we're both correct. just depending on whether the grid is on or off.
i was talking about when the grid is off, you are talking about it being on.

[vudoo]

Thanks guys, all very good suggestions/work around.....another question.

1-when the grid is on is there a key modifier i can use to place my curser ( the vertical small yellow line ) in wherever i want without having it snap to a grid ??

2 what's the best way if i need to nudge my clip in arrangement view by a few samples or frame ???

3- Is there a timecode view in live or it's all bar/beats based ???

Thanks

[siliconarc]

1- nope! you have to turn off the grid first.
2- zoom in and click-drag. Live doesnt have a nudge feature. been requested many times.
3- right-click on the timeline (bottom of Arrange view) for the timecode views

[Small Critters]

Thanks guys, all very good suggestions/work around.....another question.

1-when the grid is on is there a key modifier i can use to place my curser ( the vertical small yellow line ) in wherever i want without having it snap to a grid ??

2 what's the best way if i need to nudge my clip in arrangement view by a few samples or frame ???

3- Is there a timecode view in live or it's all bar/beats based ???

Thanks

Hey,

1. Yes, you can just hold Alt (on a Mac it should be the "apple") and click. The same goes for moving clips.
2. I'm afraid the microediting capabilities are a bit limited in that respect. Your best bet might be as primitive as zooming in extremely and manually moving. If you need/want to be exact to the sample, I'm afraid I cannot think of a way that could be done with the native Live tools only right now.
3. You can right-click on the time ruler and select the format desired.

[Small Critters]

Ha! Garyboozy beat me to it. With regards to 1., holding Alt works for me, are we talking about different things?

[siliconarc]

doesn't work here on mac - should be 'cmd-click', cos that works fine in clip view, but not in Arrange.
i'm sure it used to work, but def doesn't anymore. bug?

[Small Critters]

Almost seems like it - I'm on WinXP using Live 8.1.3, works fine in both views for me.

[vudoo]

Thanks again.

1- yes indeed it does not work on the Mac

2- Zooming to sample or frame level ( not even sure if such grid exist ) just to move clips around is insane and definitely not an acceptable work around. In post, one need to spot/move regions/clips around all the time, imagine you need to zoom all the way in, nudge/move the clip and zoom back out...that's like a good 10 mouse click just for such a simple repetitive task....now imagine you have a 60 min show with hundreds of clips

[siliconarc]

confirmed as a mac bug a while back by ableton support via email. still no news on a fix.
really suprised this hasn't chafed anyone else's spuds.

[georgelindsay]

ALT on mac