Lighting up the stop clip buttons on an APC

[tomoram]

Am I being stupid here? I want to light up the stop clip buttons on my APC40 but there's don't seem to be controls in the list (unless I am being blind) of controls, I can see you have all the X_Clip_Y_Button contols which I can happily turn on and off and there is even a Stop_All_Clips_Button control (although I can't work out the values to light it up) but I cannot seem to find the ones of the 8 stop clip buttons? I'm assuming it's possible light them up because the flicker when you press them but I can't for the life of me work it out.

Anyone got any idea?

Thanks.

[phattline]

...search enginge can help... this is not a XY Thingi - you must observe every button and you must send every button @ its own... so this is a lot of patching work, and will make your patch BIG! You have to take care by the way, to follow the bang order rulez, the order of what should be turned on and what off, everywhere ID0, dont work much wich Send receive objects by turn on and off observers and working modes, this will be a big patch take care and program it clean-elsewhere the patch will have problem after problems... so the record button name is e.g. solo_chanalstrip1 (i dont know the name now...)

read this: (search engine...)
http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=144396

[Q&A]

I used a low tech fix to help me differentiate the STOP buttons from the LAUNCH buttons.

I stuck a square of red electrical tape on each stop button.
It really helped alot and maybe would be more effective than using the tri color led to visually separate the button groups.

[tomoram]

...search enginge can help... this is not a XY Thingi - you must observe every button and you must send every button @ its own... so this is a lot of patching work, and will make your patch BIG! You have to take care by the way, to follow the bang order rulez, the order of what should be turned on and what off, everywhere ID0, dont work much wich Send receive objects by turn on and off observers and working modes, this will be a big patch take care and program it clean-elsewhere the patch will have problem after problems... so the record button name is e.g. solo_chanalstrip1 (i dont know the name now...)

read this: (search engine...)
http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=144396

I'm some what confused here, how does observing every button cause a stop button to light up? All I'm looking for the control name of function call to light up a stop button. It seems the only reference I can find to them is the set_stop_clip_track_buttons function but I don't know what parameters it takes?

All I want to do is get it so that stop buttons are lit up if there is a clip in that column playing, seems bizarre to me that this isn't default APC functionality actually, I mean the buttons have lights but they are never lit up, the just flicker momentarily.

[phattline]

how does observing every button cause a stop button to light up?

when you press the stop button, the max patch has to observe the button, to get the message 1 or 0. But with this the button not already light, so you have to send a command to the stop buttons LED (light emiting diode)

All I'm looking for the control name of function call to light up a stop button. It seems the only reference I can find to them is the set_stop_clip_track_buttons function but I don't know what parameters it takes?

call turn_on call turn_off but I cant complain everything - load this patch & understand - there is all in there to simply light up a stop button (not to observing ---for observing and sending Button/LEDs take my other link I had postet....) aha only light up a LED without pressing a Button ok here we go: http://www.phatline.at/m4l/observe-apc-onlyLEDs.amxd

All I want to do is get it so that stop buttons are lit up if there is a clip in that column playing, seems bizarre to me that this isn't default APC functionality actually, I mean the buttons have lights but they are never lit up, the just flicker momentarily.

You have to understand that a LED and a BUTTON are 2 differnt devices! they are Hardwareside 2 Devices - they are softwareside 2 devices - THIS MAKE SENSE (for me as an electroniction!) you cant observe and send things on 1 Live object - you have to use 2!
So the apc buttons are in the APC firmware -Momentary buttons (and that is good so - a Toggle button for STOP is nonsense ) so if you press a momentary button you dont see a light from a max patch, you see the light from the APC firmware - to light up a button you have to 1. Observe that stop button 2. Send a "call turn_on" command to the LED! again > 2 seperat Devices! To get this working you have to use this (my) patch - and understand how it works: http://www.phatline.at/m4l/observe-apc- ... -down.amxd

More I cant help you - you have to say clear what you want, and have to post your patch and so on... but I will not help you... with this 2 patches you have everything you need!

and with this patch you have also play buttons solo and arm buttons: But remember- you have to programm a programm around it! standalone a observer do nothing and a sender do nothing http://www.phatline.at/m4l/observe-apc.amxd

[tomoram]

All I'm looking for the control name of function call to light up a stop button. It seems the only reference I can find to them is the set_stop_clip_track_buttons function but I don't know what parameters it takes?

call turn_on call turn_off but I cant complain everything - load this patch & understand - there is all in there to simply light up a stop button (not to observing ---for observing and sending Button/LEDs take my other link I had postet....) aha only light up a LED without pressing a Button ok here we go: http://www.phatline.at/m4l/observe-apc-onlyLEDs.amxd

Call turn_on/turn_off on what object? I can do this for every button on the APC40 except the stop buttons because unless I have massively overlooked something there is no control for either the individual stop buttons or the group of stop buttons as a whole unlike with every other button on the device.

It seems the only access to the stop buttons which has been documented is through the Session_Control but it's somewhat restricted. I hope I'm just being blind and have missed something like a Stop_Button_0 control but I can't see such a thing anywhere in the list.

[phattline]

english is not my natural language - so I cant explain how this work - I took me a long time to understand how it works so:

again

look in my patch, and find out what is going on!

here a screenshot of the LED-only Patch:

[tomoram]

Ah thankyou, it looks like I have indeed been blind and it's Track_0_Stop_Button I have been looking for, I can't test it right now but will give it a test soon.

Thanks again for all your help!