I'm not sure I'd necessarily agree. The one thing that got me going towards HackMacs is exactly that an OS update is just as likely to whack my genuine Mac, these days. (Does Snow Leopard ring a bell, Ableton users?Machinesworking wrote:one nice thing about Macs, that they're well configured for OSX and take years and years to have any issues with OS updates.
Just off the top of my head.)You're talking about something different there, Snow Leopard required some applications to rewrite their code for compatibility, sure, but any Intel Mac pretty much can run it without running into the sort of hardware issues that Vista ran into.mrdelurk wrote:I'm not sure I'd necessarily agree. The one thing that got me going towards HackMacs is exactly that an OS update is just as likely to whack my genuine Mac, these days. (Does Snow Leopard ring a bell, Ableton users?Machinesworking wrote:one nice thing about Macs, that they're well configured for OSX and take years and years to have any issues with OS updates.
xzusa8ky wrote:Hallo...
I would like to know if anybody on this board are succesfully running OSX and Live 8 on a PC?
I am thinking about to put a PC together because i can't afford one of the "Big Pro Macs" I would like to have a lot of cpu power like the new i7 980 processors from Intel. Could you please be so kind to give me some good advices on which parts to buy so i can build my own music pc with the Intel i7?
my budget is low! Max 1000,- EU
Thank you very much
IMHO once Ableton (or its plugin) stops working, it really makes no difference if it did because of a lowly Vista-style hardware issue, or a noble undertaking (a decimal point update in OSX), it's toast, kaputt, goner just the same. Lately, with this PPC to Intel hop, and then successive waves of OSX 10.4, 10.5 and 10.6, with apps not working on one OSX already, but not fully functional on the next yet, it's the biggest bordello out there in Apple's entire history. I'm still trying to cope with the mess by trying to sync my Ableton G5 to my Ableton IntelMac (so that not-UB plugins can remain in use) with nary too great success. So, stuff not working on "official" Macs after an update? Tell me about it.Machinesworking wrote:Snow Leopard required some applications to rewrite their code for compatibility, sure, but any Intel Mac pretty much can run it without running into the sort of hardware issues that Vista ran into.
Khazul wrote:If you are going to do a hackintosh build - then make sure you check exactly what compoents to buy first otherwise you will end up with a very buggy machine.
The Intel/PPC jump can't really be counted, it's not an issue of the hardware you buy working but the software manufacturers refusing to port, plus it's an unprecidented move, and probably won't be repeated any time soon. Same with point upgrades, if software breaks it's one thing, but hardware will always work, that, is what I was getting at.mrdelurk wrote:IMHO once Ableton (or its plugin) stops working, it really makes no difference if it did because of a lowly Vista-style hardware issue, or a noble undertaking (a decimal point update in OSX), it's toast, kaputt, goner just the same. Lately, with this PPC to Intel hop, and then successive waves of OSX 10.4, 10.5 and 10.6, with apps not working on one OSX already, but not fully functional on the next yet, it's the biggest bordello out there in Apple's entire history. I'm still trying to cope with the mess by trying to sync my Ableton G5 to my Ableton IntelMac (so that not-UB plugins can remain in use) with nary too great success. So, stuff not working on "official" Macs after an update? Tell me about it.Machinesworking wrote:Snow Leopard required some applications to rewrite their code for compatibility, sure, but any Intel Mac pretty much can run it without running into the sort of hardware issues that Vista ran into.
Get a Mac mini , load it with ram and you are laughing. I use one for production.xzusa8ky wrote:Hallo...
I would like to know if anybody on this board are succesfully running OSX and Live 8 on a PC?
I am thinking about to put a PC together because i can't afford one of the "Big Pro Macs" I would like to have a lot of cpu power like the new i7 980 processors from Intel. Could you please be so kind to give me some good advices on which parts to buy so i can build my own music pc with the Intel i7?
my budget is low! Max 1000,- EU
Thank you very much
Yes - you can get it up and running on any PC these days (even an nvidia nforce chipset with amd cpu), but dont expect *everything* to actually work, never mind work reliably and with a performance that is on par with the same PC running a windows OS.friend_kami wrote:Khazul wrote:If you are going to do a hackintosh build - then make sure you check exactly what compoents to buy first otherwise you will end up with a very buggy machine.
not neccessarily, there are tools out there to install vanilla kernels on just about any hardware, you just need to ask google a bit.
thing is that you need patched up kexts of stuff like network and audio etc and that can sometimes be a bit of a pain. i had to flash my graphics card to get full hardware acelleration for example.
are you sure?Khazul wrote:Yes - you can get it up and running on any PC these days (even an nvidia nforce chipset with amd cpu), but dont expect *everything* to actually work, never mind work reliably and with a performance that is on par with the same PC running a windows OS.friend_kami wrote:Khazul wrote:If you are going to do a hackintosh build - then make sure you check exactly what compoents to buy first otherwise you will end up with a very buggy machine.
not neccessarily, there are tools out there to install vanilla kernels on just about any hardware, you just need to ask google a bit.
thing is that you need patched up kexts of stuff like network and audio etc and that can sometimes be a bit of a pain. i had to flash my graphics card to get full hardware acelleration for example.
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My point was, I don't care what the reason is when things stop working; if they stopped working, that's it, we have a problem. So the Intel/PPC upgrade does count - as the mother of all upgrade issues, in fact. No other upgrade caused $10K's worth of my software to go in limbo before.Machinesworking wrote:The Intel/PPC jump can't really be counted, it's not an issue of the hardware you buy working