using ableton in a traditional way

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using ableton in a traditional way

Post by carllackey » Sun Nov 28, 2010 3:38 pm

i'm new to ableton and was wondering if i could make this my only daw. i write acoustic/heavy glitch idm style music. i know for all the glitch electronic stuff it's perfect. but i would like to record acoustics, electrics and live vocals. can ableton record these as good as other daws like studio one pro or reaper or reason/record?. i have searched the forum buy nobody really answered the question. thanks


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Re: using ableton in a traditional way

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Re: using ableton in a traditional way

Post by hacktheplanet » Sun Nov 28, 2010 4:31 pm

Absolutely. My band has been recording our album entirely in Live. (Guitar/bass/drums/vocals)
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Re: using ableton in a traditional way

Post by smaucher » Sun Nov 28, 2010 5:36 pm

we're recording these days:
drums (12 microphone channels, lots of effects), basses (acoustic/electric/lots of effects), guitars (acoustic/electric, lots of effects, amps and GR4 pro), keyboards (audio/MIDI using hardware stuff: EMU, Roland Yamaha and live's suite sounds and samples) and vocals.

I haven't found anything to be missing yet - besides a mixer console like in Studio One or PT or Cubase.
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Re: using ableton in a traditional way

Post by carllackey » Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:33 pm

thanks guys! i appreciate it!

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Re: using ableton in a traditional way

Post by smaucher » Sun Nov 28, 2010 8:10 pm

you're welcome :-)
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Re: using ableton in a traditional way

Post by fisto » Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:34 pm

I would not make it your own daw. Rather use sonar x1 or reaper.
Lve has a bad summing engine, you can easily screw up your sound through false warping, and its just not a pro daw. See it more like a tool.
When i bounce all tracks to mix it in reaper it immediately sounds clearer.
Also the pricing is quite high compared to the biggest sonar version and especially reaper.

Reaper 4 is comming soon and Sonar x1 comes december 8th.
Take a close look a the other daws before going ableton only, as this is not a real all in one solution.

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Re: using ableton in a traditional way

Post by smaucher » Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:49 pm

fisto wrote:Lve has a bad summing engine
huh? 8O
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Re: using ableton in a traditional way

Post by fisto » Sun Nov 28, 2010 10:12 pm

Or Audio-engine whatever you wanna call it. Fact is that mixes rendered from live sound muddy, and the same rendered from reaper sounds defenetely clearer.
So its cool to write tunes in live but rather mix them in another program.

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Re: using ableton in a traditional way

Post by LeifonMars » Sun Nov 28, 2010 10:23 pm

fisto wrote:Or Audio-engine whatever you wanna call it. Fact is that mixes rendered from live sound muddy, and the same rendered from reaper sounds defenetely clearer.
So its cool to write tunes in live but rather mix them in another program.
Oh come on dude, if you wanna stir, please, learn your trade first (or something like that but you get what I'm saying).
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Re: using ableton in a traditional way

Post by mr.ergonomics » Sun Nov 28, 2010 10:23 pm

fisto wrote:
Lve has a bad summing engine
please post examples or it didn't happen. I tried to proof it but (and yes I believed the rumours a time) the result was the opposite. drums tracks that I thought sound better in cubase do absolutely null in a phase test when I redo them in live. Live is not always sample accurate but this is another story. I would be happy if I found something.

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Re: using ableton in a traditional way

Post by Goddard » Sun Nov 28, 2010 10:40 pm

fisto wrote:... Fact is that mixes rendered from live sound muddy...
One of the biggest bull around here. In 32bit/44.1kHz (no mention 96kHz...) Live sounds absolute transparent (crystal clear...). I don't say it sounds better than Logic or ProTools, though it doesn't sound worse.
FX and instruments in Logic Studio "suite" sound outstanding, but MainStage is many light years away comparing to the Live's Session View.
If you're not a commercial studio owner then you should choose Ableton Live. Otherwise ProTools with it's inconvenient edition would be the best choice if you get paid per hour ;)
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Re: using ableton in a traditional way

Post by smaucher » Mon Nov 29, 2010 6:07 am

fisto wrote:Or Audio-engine whatever you wanna call it. Fact is that mixes rendered from live sound muddy, and the same rendered from reaper sounds defenetely clearer.
So its cool to write tunes in live but rather mix them in another program.
go get yourself a copy of StudioOne and stop posting bullsh*t.
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Re: using ableton in a traditional way

Post by Jacqueslacouth » Mon Nov 29, 2010 6:55 am

Actually, I have just bailed on Logic and to be perfectly honest I am happily surprised at the quality of the sound from live...even more so by the quality of the plug-ins included. No regrets here!

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