Behringer X32 "inspired" by Live...

[abletoff]

...at least in the user interface!

[3phase]

i think they are only inspired by ableton in the sense that they expect the users out there to be stupid enough to pay so much for soemthing with the behringer sticker..


crazy...


do you work for behringer?


When you can sell them that your product sounds as good as it looks you can sell them everything..its the eye that buys not the ear..

(Book of Ableton, Psalm L1.0)

[mr.ergonomics]

haha yeah behringer like to steal ideas. actually I'm surprised that there are no legal action from mackie or others.

[Khazul]

I wonder if its latency compensation works

[Coupe70]

There HAS been legal action from Mackie in the past.

[Khazul]

Just had a thought - if its cheap enough - might make a great controller for live

Just dont stick audio through it

[3phase]

its over 3000 !!

a behringer for such a price could be considered fraud..but..

who dont knows by now that buying too cheap is buying twice will have to learn it this way than.

Only problem.. i fear that many venues will install behringer crap like that.. blended by the high price and the look will consider it as finaly the behringer that dont sucks ( they use that trick every few years and of cause allways suck never the less..just a bit less than ususal )..

is ableton the behringer of DAW´s?
no..they are not cheap..

but this behringer isnt cheap aswell.. actually it is..but they want too look and appear expensiv to suggest quality that cant be really there.. the motorfaders will be the same as in theire fader boxes.. and the I/O amps the same as in theire oether gear.. and the algos will be the same as in theire other digital fx and eq´s..

so this thing has to be a real behringer regardless of the look and the price..

oh oh..
Is ableton is the behringer of DAW´s ..and allways will keep theire signature? so this wont change??

maybe i do in 2 weeks finaly a gig again with no ableton on board. its a trap one has to bring efforts to escape...

the behringer trap... a conspiracy... there is a B in ableton..and its actually highlighted somehow by the coporate logo design and pronouncation...
aBlton

[macmurphy]

3000 what? cat teeth? shirt buttons? grains of sand?

surely not euros??

[Khazul]

Price must be in sheets of bog roll - ie USD

[3phase]

suggested retail price 3866,31 euro = street price around 3000..



shit i am still shocked about the aBleton Behringer relation...


The thing with Behringer is that they somehow realy try.. You cant really call them evil or bad.. and the pricing is sometimes really sweet.. hard to resist..and bang..they got you...And screw your audio in strange ways..
They use good components sometimes.. i ve some behringers here to source cheap power supplys and torodial transformers for other projekts...
but..in the details and the general development philosophy all behringer products are doomed somehow..at least for audio..
They never will make it to sound good because in the last moments of development they safe some more pennys..so the the switches have a shit quality and the cheap op amps are used..and therfore we can juiced down the power supply a bit to squeeze another penny..making this way more profit with the cheap product that trys to look expensiv..but finaly sounds and operates cheaply... and one wonders with tears in the eyes..why? Why havent they just spend the few pennys more and having it all good.. maybe rising the sales price a bit to compensate.. and everything would be fine what now makes it a sour apple...
And one wonders and wonders ..but never really gets theese internal crippeling of the product.. Intentional or just by accident??
Appears allmost as a nice moove towards the more pricy competition to keeop them alive...
thats the behringer style..

and its soo much like the ableton style in a way.. wow...
We are onto something here

i wonder if mr behringer and mr behlens went to the same classes in biz university once...the safing money on the wrong points philosophy is so much behind theese booth ventures..

more so with behringer of cause.. behringer is the living "safing money on the wrong spot" philosophy.. the products are adressed to a safing money on the wrong spot audience.. and consequently they are designed that way..

that actualy holds a inner beauty and is actually a good thrufull design concept.. i start to understand now why Behringer has to squeeze the last penny..it is to keep things in a natural proportion and adjust the karma of the produkt to the karma of the user.. poor for the poor..

i just dont get how that relates with ableton because the product is not adressing the poor.. ?? maybee somehow it does..

its adressing people that dont like to put efforts in own sequence creation,. thats poor from an intelectual standpoint.. hmm..

ok..we will have to do further investigations and internal discussions.. but.

Defently an interesting B relation here... maybe they are brothers and one has changed the name to hide that?

[abletoff]

thread out of control.

[LoopStationZebra]

thread out of control.

THIS.

[macmurphy]

3phase, you do know we mean the interface, right? not the whole companies business philosophy?

maybe i'm missing the fact that you're hi-jacking yet another thread to have a swipe at ableton

oh of course, that's what you're doing.

i'll get me coat...

[3phase]

the user interface of this desk has absolutly nothing to do with ableton life..
there are no similaritys at all.. so either you are doing behringer promotion here or you were talking about other similaritys.. i was searching for them and therefore i am straight on topic...

And i found quite a few.

another riddle solved for the good sound of mankind.. we are behringer..and therfpre we get what we deserve.. lots of ablertons obvious shortcommings like still beeing inferior in so many areas after 10 years of development time only can be explained by product philosophy.. You cant realy expect them to be just to stupid to do better.. So its by design.. and As it looks the philosophy behind the big B is the key to explain that.
i still wonder if they are really brothers... and why there was no cooperation between behringer and ableton.. maybe even a merge.. behlinger live.. ready for the chinese market

[LoopStationZebra]

3phase, it's almost a pleasure to be witness to your insanity at this point.