I've been making this list of things in live I think of - either that I'd like to see, or things that annoy me while going about my business, now the operator hype has eased off a little I thought it time to post it.....
Absolute number 1 is PDC – even if it’s non real time – a ‘compensate’ function that could just move the warp markers to the PDC position in the loop (move the offset marker to however many ms the PDC is before the end of the loop)
TWO MODES – STUDIO/LIVE – A button somewhere to choose between modes – Live mode has all the emphasis on real time, studio has all the things like PDC. This way we get the best of both worlds. SO When you have composed a track with live, you can render as a Stereo mix and then mix it into a live set.
Disable track/Dummy tracks – Really Important - I frequently want to move a vocal or something and try a new one on the same track Inserts/sends) while keeping the old one to hand but I dont want to create another track for my PC to handle – or if I do I want to be able to completely switch it off rather than just mute it so it uses no resources.
Automation – the breakpoints shouldn’t only show up the current value when you move it – it should show up when you hover the mouse over it or at very least when you click it but don’t move it – sometimes I’m in arrange and want to see where the value is without changing it (i.e. want to know where the filter frequency is so I can start thinking about the value of the next stage in the sweep) – the most annoying of these is when you select a whole section of audio in the arranger (and it becomes yellow) and then try to drag the level down (i.e. breakpoints automatically inserted each end of the selected area) there is no indication of what value you are at) - you should see what value a breakpoint is at as soon as the mouse hovers over the
Ref. Manual p205 17.4
Deleting automation from the device on button doesn’t seem to work for some plug-ins anymore
REALLY would like a disable record automation modifier key as there are SO MANY times I wish I could keep the main groove recording in the clips but change the mix a little when I think of it without having to finish recording everything else then come back to the bit I thought of changing – I will have forgotten by then
NEED CONSTRAIN DIRECTION – when dragging breakpoints in the automation if you want to drag a break point in time without wanting to change it’s value it’s not easy (say I want a sweep to start at CC10 and work up to CC68 but change my mind about when I want it to happen – I would like to hold ALT and have the CC number stay the same and the breakpoint only move horzontally to change time.
REALLY REALLY HAAAAAATE THE “remove unused samples” system – I never have a clue which ones I need for other sets – Live needs to somehow keep a track of which live sets have been self contained and which need which sounds folders – even by creating a separate file recording the movements of each Live set in relation to it’s respective audio folder – surely it cant be more than a text file – just recording paths – you could have Live write to it everytime a song is ‘self contained’ so you can know when samples are no longer needed and can free up hard disk space – I’m sure I’ve wasted crap loads of Hard disk space just because I don’t know whether to say ‘YES’ everytime it asks me to delete superfluous files.
LINK SESSION AND ARRANGE VIEW CLIPS OPTION – so you can choose to have clips in the session view be * OPERATED BY * the arrange page, rather than the session view being just a way of playing samples to the arrange page. In other words, allowing the clips in the session page to be played/recorded as automation by maybe changing pattern numbers (going up to 128 for each track?) as if they were patterns on a drum machine.
One reason for needing this is so you can keep track of an “Arrange page” sequence while you are in the session view - so that you can come in with the next consecutive clip in a pattern from the session page – So for example, If I am starting with something already arranged in the arrange page and I want to start improvising by changing the order of clips on one track in the session view, then I know exactly which one is about to play out of all the other clips on that track
Maybe a way to do this would be to allow “SESSION TRACKS” to receive MIDI -to be selectable as an output for midi tracks – making clip 1 scene 1 midi CC number 1 – this would also make it possible to choose scenes/clips using a controller's knob or slider, scroll to the last scene with the mod wheel, – set quantise to none and actually play through clips with the mod wheel – this could make some very interesting improvising.
Hotkeys for Hide Browser
Re-search for audio interface if not found on last boot up - rather than having to choose from prefs again
Cancel when loading live sets (just in case I load the wrong one
my feature requests notepad part 1
Re: my feature requests notepad part 1
This really needs to be realtime if anybody is going to expect to use outboard gear efficiently. Would be possibly nice as a plugin so you could save different PDC values for different outboard gear/effects or whatever... I could imagine having one PDC value for a Powercore FW, one PDC value for a Korg Kaoss Pad and another PDC value for a bank of chained effects...forge wrote:Absolute number 1 is PDC
The PDC would need to calculate the Worst Case... and probably do fun things to get it to work properly when you routed the Virus Powercore FW output to your bank of effects and then into your Kaoss Pad... think of the fun... think of the children!
forge wrote:TWO MODES – STUDIO/LIVE
If coded properly... I would hope that you could use Live in both a Live/Studio situation regardless of PDC or other factors. Personally I would prefer to use the product in similar ways from Live to Studio and not have to worry about differences or nuances...
God yes, and I think you left out a *ton* of reasons that this is needed. I'll give my biggest example/gripe... when you are using a VSTi with effects, sometimes you need to dump this to an audio track, either to freeze up processing power, or do some other creative warping etc to it. Now I'd like to keep the midi track data/instrument data around... but as it stands even if you 'disable' a vst/vsti it is still loaded when you start live. Try having a few Vokator effects or huge Kontakt sound banks loaded and see what I mean. This would take me a long way towards not having to freeze or otherwise render and delete tracks...forge wrote:Disable track/Dummy tracks
Going off of this... it would be excellent if we could tell Live to render a given track with effects etc into a new audio track... why you make me do this tedious and time consuming task by hand I don't know... but could you please find a way to automate rendering all the clips in a track into a new track... with or without intro/tails too... pretty please
Yeah this is a big gripe... working on anything other than basic automation in the Arranger view is a gigantic pain in the butt. At least in the clip view you have triple or quadruple the pixel resolution to work with to see what you are doing...forge wrote:Automation
forge wrote:NEED CONSTRAIN DIRECTION
Likewise... sometimes you want the time to stay the same and the value to change...
I'd like to see some kind of loop graveyard for this... so at least if you break a set by selecting YES, then it would be smart enough to check the graveyard and then make that loop self contained for that set...forge wrote:REALLY REALLY HAAAAAATE THE “remove unused samples” system
Yeah I've wanted this for a while too... it is such a pain in the ass to have changed something in Arrange View and it was super cool and then loose it in the arrange view mix... since most of the clips look the same, and the color stays the same even when you change it, there isn't anything that really makes it stand out. 99% of the time if you are changing it you probably want it changed in the Session view as well...forge wrote:LINK SESSION AND ARRANGE VIEW CLIPS OPTION
Following this though... once I've started setting things in stone in the Arrange view I want to 'unloop' everything so I can go in and make minor tweaks. The way I have to do this now is to make splits where I want the change to take place and then draw in the new notes or delete some of the old ones... if I need to do this more than once it becomes a pain... For Audio you might be able to do a Render To Disk, but there is no similar function to 'render' a midi track...
Good suggestions though...
can't wait to see part 2 
I may be wrong in what you are saying... but if you were to link the sesion and arrange view clips it wouldn't matter how long you played the clip in the arranger view... just that if you modified the contents of that clip with envelopes etc... that all the 'links' in arranger and in session would change to reflect how the new clip looks...tylast wrote:I really am for the LINK SESSION AND ARRANGE VIEW CLIPS OPTION! However, I'm not really sure how they'd be able to implement that being that I've shorted clips to odd sizes & such.
Hopefully that was clear...
ONe option I envisaged would be to enable the arrange to act as a kind of pattern sequencer so that all you are doing from there is saying which clips are playing - the main problem I have is if you are working in the arrange then you want to take over and start improvising a bit and you have a session view full of clips that look the same you dont know which scene the arrange is up togaspode wrote:I may be wrong in what you are saying... but if you were to link the sesion and arrange view clips it wouldn't matter how long you played the clip in the arranger view... just that if you modified the contents of that clip with envelopes etc... that all the 'links' in arranger and in session would change to reflect how the new clip looks...tylast wrote:I really am for the LINK SESSION AND ARRANGE VIEW CLIPS OPTION! However, I'm not really sure how they'd be able to implement that being that I've shorted clips to odd sizes & such.
Hopefully that was clear...
OK, so you're saying that there would NOT be multiple instances of a clip that have the same NAME...that would be synced. I would definitely like that. So, if I were to change a clip in the Arranger View...that clip would be forced to have a different name. Clip123 to Clip123-1 or so...right?
I guess that new clip might be copied to the Session view Automatically if you're saying the Session View is the playlist. Hrmmmm...perhaps clips that are NOT in the Seesion View should be marked in one of the corners in some way? I think it would get really complicated if the new clips were to retro-actively sync on their own.
I guess that new clip might be copied to the Session view Automatically if you're saying the Session View is the playlist. Hrmmmm...perhaps clips that are NOT in the Seesion View should be marked in one of the corners in some way? I think it would get really complicated if the new clips were to retro-actively sync on their own.
Disable track/Dummy tracks – Really Important - I frequently want to move a vocal or something and try a new one on the same track Inserts/sends) while keeping the old one to hand but I dont want to create another track for my PC to handle – or if I do I want to be able to completely switch it off rather than just mute it so it uses no resources.
click replace in the clip properties then select ur file,, page 102 of the live manual.. not sure if thats what you mean ?
click replace in the clip properties then select ur file,, page 102 of the live manual.. not sure if thats what you mean ?
I thiink maybe the way to do it would be to ADD an option to have clips played via automation - for example, you can record pattern changes for microtonic as automation on the track - so maybe if another option could be selected in the automation drop menu where you choose which clip to trigger in the session and then draw it or record it into the arrange - so in other words If you flip back to the session view the clip that's currently playing would be lit up green to indicate its playing so you can override it and start improvising with one track, then when you finish press F10 and reset to arrangetylast wrote:OK, so you're saying that there would NOT be multiple instances of a clip that have the same NAME...that would be synced. I would definitely like that. So, if I were to change a clip in the Arranger View...that clip would be forced to have a different name. Clip123 to Clip123-1 or so...right?
I guess that new clip might be copied to the Session view Automatically if you're saying the Session View is the playlist. Hrmmmm...perhaps clips that are NOT in the Seesion View should be marked in one of the corners in some way? I think it would get really complicated if the new clips were to retro-actively sync on their own.
- but as I mentioned before IMO the automation implementation needs improving as well - I find it quite hard to accurately draw in automation at the moment, firstly becase you cant see the current value unless you change it, but secondly because of the small sspace.
Personally I think a really useful solution would be to enable you to manually change the automation parameters from within the boxes at the right - maybe by pressing a modifier key to indicte that you want to manually enter the value for the selected break point - so for example, If you have a channel that is overall set to -3dB and you only want to use automation to fade in one place, I would like to be able to select the first breakpoint that indicates the main level (before the fade) and then manually enter the value in the respective box to change the automation value - at the moment if you type in the box the red automation indicator dot changes colour to indicate that if you hit F10 it will go back to the previous value. I would like to be able to override this for greater accuracy. maybe holding control while you click on the break point highlights the box, you enter the value and hit enter.
Also, if you select a break point and hold ctrl or shift or whatever then maybe the mouse pointer changes to a large fader (similar to Tracktion) so that you can see with much better accuracy what you are doing
There are alot of things that can be done, but at the moment I feel the automation is clunky and not very easy to use accurately.
Automation edit should be easier and more flexible, agree.
Some good ideas in here, I haven't the details from the thread in my head but some thoughts:
Clips could have three modes: Independant (like now), [S] soft linked (or symbolic linked) and [H] hard linked.
When copying a clip in session or recording it into arrangement the default is now .
Proposal: When recorded or copied, make it [S] and let its partner(s) in session light up when clip is playing in arr and when edited.
When a [S]-clip is edited, its partners shows an indication of them being "concerned" - you could now chose to do nothing (partners dont change) or hard link them and let them become a hard linked group, all edits to one of the members is taken over by the others as well).
When editing a [H] hard linked clip, default is that other members are edited too. Choice to override this by making the edited clip independent or keep a symbolic reference to the group [S].
By making a clip , it may become the new ancestor of a soft or hard linked group. The I mode would be default when dragging files into Live and recording external stuff (and resampling and recording from other tracks.)
Pfui... Brain gets cluttered. Does this make sense?
// C
Some good ideas in here, I haven't the details from the thread in my head but some thoughts:
Clips could have three modes: Independant (like now), [S] soft linked (or symbolic linked) and [H] hard linked.
When copying a clip in session or recording it into arrangement the default is now .
Proposal: When recorded or copied, make it [S] and let its partner(s) in session light up when clip is playing in arr and when edited.
When a [S]-clip is edited, its partners shows an indication of them being "concerned" - you could now chose to do nothing (partners dont change) or hard link them and let them become a hard linked group, all edits to one of the members is taken over by the others as well).
When editing a [H] hard linked clip, default is that other members are edited too. Choice to override this by making the edited clip independent or keep a symbolic reference to the group [S].
By making a clip , it may become the new ancestor of a soft or hard linked group. The I mode would be default when dragging files into Live and recording external stuff (and resampling and recording from other tracks.)
Pfui... Brain gets cluttered. Does this make sense?
// C
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conny wrote:Automation edit should be easier and more flexible, agree.
Some good ideas in here, I haven't the details from the thread in my head but some thoughts:
Clips could have three modes: Independant (like now), [S] soft linked (or symbolic linked) and [H] hard linked.
When copying a clip in session or recording it into arrangement the default is now .
Proposal: When recorded or copied, make it [S] and let its partner(s) in session light up when clip is playing in arr and when edited.
When a [S]-clip is edited, its partners shows an indication of them being "concerned" - you could now chose to do nothing (partners dont change) or hard link them and let them become a hard linked group, all edits to one of the members is taken over by the others as well).
When editing a [H] hard linked clip, default is that other members are edited too. Choice to override this by making the edited clip independent or keep a symbolic reference to the group [S].
By making a clip , it may become the new ancestor of a soft or hard linked group. The I mode would be default when dragging files into Live and recording external stuff (and resampling and recording from other tracks.)
Pfui... Brain gets cluttered. Does this make sense?
// C
yes..good points I think that would be a good way of doing it
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Us too, we thought that we would add to this since you have some good ideas here. BTW: operator should be free to paying customers. $150 is a ripp off. between the 3 midi devices you are only giving us the basics for music production. please include operator as standard equipment in Live5.forge wrote:I've been making this list of things in live I think of - either that I'd like to see, or things that annoy me while going about my business, now the operator hype has eased off a little I thought it time to post it.....
without question, i'm sure the abletons are on top of it.forge wrote:Absolute number 1 is PDC
True this and a very good idea that will come in very very useful i'm sure. I'd like to see this go even maybe a step further like a "save track state..." such that I could save the effects their presets and even automations, basically everything about a track except the audio to a file to be recalled at anytime.forge wrote:Disable track/Dummy tracks – Really Important
forge wrote:Automation
And then...
I would really like to see a curve or arch feature for the envelopes in arrange. this seems to work for other DAW software. such that the line between any 2 points could be curved, there by reducing the number of automation points needed.
Agreed, will come in real handyforge wrote:NEED CONSTRAIN DIRECTION ...
ABSOLUTELY!!! Ableton so needs to have a sample recovery/fault system. for example sometimes things get moved around an Ableton gets confused about where a sample is, why can't it just search my computer (starting with the ableton folder , or even a user specified folder/drive, first) since it knows the name of the samp but simply can't locate it, just use windows search feature to find it for me.gaspode wrote:I'd like to see some kind of loop graveyard for this... so at least if you break a set by selecting YES, then it would be smart enough to check the graveyard and then make that loop self contained for that set...forge wrote: REALLY REALLY HAAAAAATE THE “remove unused samples” system
Last but not least...
Multi-Track rendering I so want to be able to bounce each track to it's own file in just a few clicks. not hours of doing 1 file at a time. I think it would even be nice if ableton could create an Adobe Audition file in the proccess so i can just open it all back up for mastering; quick and simple.
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Unused samples etc:
Could not be to hard to implement a text based "database", just like a simple log. Every set launched or created should write what samples is used to the log, that preferably would stay in the program folde or in the user prefs folder. Log contains set and samples.
Deleting a set (from within Live) could even check the log and ask for removal of samples used solely by that set.
Closing a set could check the log to se what samples were activated but not avtually used in the final save etc.
// C
Could not be to hard to implement a text based "database", just like a simple log. Every set launched or created should write what samples is used to the log, that preferably would stay in the program folde or in the user prefs folder. Log contains set and samples.
Deleting a set (from within Live) could even check the log and ask for removal of samples used solely by that set.
Closing a set could check the log to se what samples were activated but not avtually used in the final save etc.
// C
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My Studio We find the feature of being able to save presets invauble, and hence would like to see this taken to it's extremes. Even being able to save the set-up of the live studio. We feel that this takes the idea of "eleastic audio" to its core. enevitably ableton is about the user interface and how liberally the creativity can flow.
) to give some credit were it may be due.
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My Studio We find the feature of being able to save presets invauble, and hence would like to see this taken to it's extremes. Even being able to save the set-up of the live studio. We feel that this takes the idea of "eleastic audio" to its core. enevitably ableton is about the user interface and how liberally the creativity can flow.
Pro Bundle We can understand the idea of creating pluggins that are espcially made for your software. And are greatful to have the excellent ones that are provided. However, It would be reasonable for Ableton to create a Pro Bundle of Pluggs & or instruments that are just for Live. These would cost extra and would be a seperate product alltogether. Since the product only works with Live the cost would have to be reasonable and only available to registered Live users.Example:
For Live recording purposes we need certain plugins here or there & track settings a certain way. Each of us probably needs them to be unique. So let us save that as a preset, so we only have to set it up once.
If any of these ideas where to be used it would only be expected that the Abletons keep this thread alive (even pinnedItems/Names to consider:
EQ V.2 (mastering EQ) I propose 6band graphic+4band Full Parametric/stereo channels
Ntensity (modeled tube compressor)
enVerb (Pro Reverb, Physical modeled environments)
Abstractor (Hyper Synth) Additive &/or Subtractive
Infector (Super Synth) Physical Modeling
Labyrinth (multi FX unit) should handle simple delays, flanges, phasers, filters ect. with fully customizable routing. mainly intended for send channels
Decompose (Granulizer)
Dformance (Vocoder 128 band @ least)
just a few to consider...I suggest the cost be half the cost of Live, what ever that maybe at the time.
) to give some credit were it may be due.House of Waxxhopper