Ableton latency problem but not Cubase?

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peewee11
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Ableton latency problem but not Cubase?

Post by peewee11 » Thu Jul 07, 2011 8:30 pm

Firstly Hi, it's a pleasure to view such a great community with so much good advice & help.
So my problem.
My soundcard is an Echo Mia Midi using the latest Asio drivers.
I love this little card and it serves me well. I run it on Windows 7 32 bit on an
Amd single core 2.4ghz cpu with
2.0 gig ddr2 memory (1.75 usable).
Various controller keyboards inc M-audio Oxygen61.

Now using Cubase 5 or Reason 5 I can play VSTi instruments fine getting my latency down to as low as 2 ms.
I have recently moved to and grown to adore the workflow of Ableton, the problem is that unless I raise my buffer therefore increasing the latency I get pops & crackles.
Does Ableton therefore use much more memory resources than other DAW's such as Cubase? My CPU appears to be running low enough so is this a memory problem & why does Cubase not also do this?
Any answers or suggestions most welcome & thank you in advance.

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Re: Ableton latency problem but not Cubase?

Post by H20nly » Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:37 pm

are you adjusting any settings in Live's preferences or are you depending solely on the Echo settings?

peewee11
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Re: Ableton latency problem but not Cubase?

Post by peewee11 » Fri Jul 08, 2011 12:09 am

I'm relying on the standard echo settings & adjusting the asio setting via the control panel in Live (which then opens the Echo buffer setting). I have tried changing Mia settings seperate to Ableton all with the same problems.
With the same Echo interface setting then switching to Cubase or Reason I get no crackles or pops & can set my buffer far lower getting up to 2ms latency (I would be happy with a stable 7ms but ableton will not operate under 13ms).
I can assume my systems running stable enough due to other DAW stability (I also refined my system fully optimising it for music).
All I can think is that ableton needs more memory than other DAW's?

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Re: Ableton latency problem but not Cubase?

Post by H20nly » Fri Jul 08, 2011 2:25 am

what about driver error compensation? i don't want to steer you in the wrong direction, but there is a tutorial and some pages in the manual dedicated to optimizing your experience. have you tried any of that?

sorry i'm not at a computer with Live installed and mine has been working for a long time so memory is failing me right now... try this;

i know Tone Deft has helped a lot of people with this question... maybe try a search in the forum for either "driver error compensation" or "buffer size" with Tone Deft as the author. There have been a few threads where this was discussed in detail maybe you could glean some knowledge or a hint toward solving your issue that way.

peewee11
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Re: Ableton latency problem but not Cubase?

Post by peewee11 » Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:41 pm

Thanks for the help and the pointers, Ill look into driver error compensation and look up the subject. Im willing to try any suggestions after not being able to sort this myself. Like I said, none of the other DAW's I use have this problem so I thought I would come and ask those who use it on a more rugular basis than I have in my short time switching to Ableton.

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Re: Ableton latency problem but not Cubase?

Post by peewee11 » Sun Jul 10, 2011 6:51 pm

Still having problems here, I don't understand really as never had problems with other DAW's before but now this with Ableton?
If I use Asio4all it's better and can even use a 256k buffer but surely thats not a great option as im using a decent soundcard not internal on board rubbish?

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