Do you think Ableton will launch an iPad version of AL?

[Styles Bitchly]

I bought a copy of FL Studio for my iPad2 just to see what it's all about. Not too bad I suppose for mobile fleshing out of ideas and stuff, but far from a feature rich DAW you could do any meaningful development work on. I'd imagine this is the next frontier for snagging more sales and market share, but is it a practical platform for AL? Anyone heard if their thinking of doing an iPad edition?

[KrisM]

I bought a copy of FL Studio for my iPad2 just to see what it's all about. Not too bad I suppose for mobile fleshing out of ideas and stuff, but far from a feature rich DAW you could do any meaningful development work on. I'd imagine this is the next frontier for snagging more sales and market share, but is it a practical platform for AL? Anyone heard if their thinking of doing an iPad edition?

Do you know anyone that would pay $400+ for iPad software? Unless Live owners could get discounted promo codes or something. I don't see Ableton devaluing their product by selling it for $20

[Styles Bitchly]

I bought a copy of FL Studio for my iPad2 just to see what it's all about. Not too bad I suppose for mobile fleshing out of ideas and stuff, but far from a feature rich DAW you could do any meaningful development work on. I'd imagine this is the next frontier for snagging more sales and market share, but is it a practical platform for AL? Anyone heard if their thinking of doing an iPad edition?

Do you know anyone that would pay $400+ for iPad software? Unless Live owners could get discounted promo codes or something. I don't see Ableton devaluing their product by selling it for $20

Actually, I know lots of people that will pay good money for something that has value and is worth the price. Besides, I'm not sure if there's a hard fast rule that any app you buy from iTunes has to be in the $10 - $20 range...maybe it does, who knows. The thing is...if Ableton were able to come up with an edition of AL for the iPad with just the right set of features for mobile use without crippling it, I'd bet there'd be a good market for it as long as they nail the price-value point. Having said thsat, with the competition and diluted market for traditional DAW software, I've gotta think these folks are salivating at the prospects of getting into these smart tablet platforms....or at least not missing the bus.

[Rave]

I think they will. Just wait until the next update i.e. ableton live 9 with iPad app

[9V]

at the moment IPAD "instruments" and "sequencers" are still toys. I own garageband for ipad (interesting little "gem" for 4 €), and tons of "instruments" (pseudoguitars, pseudodrums, synth simulations, "theremins" etc.). But the lack of a "vst like" compatibility among ipad instruments does not allow to make music in a serious way. By the way, ipad is nice for musicians, e.g. I use it for sight reading, note score block (avid scorch) and to control via wireless my omnisphere running on live and/or logic pro. You can even use it as a midi trigger/midi controller (wireless or usb connected), see for instance http://www.saitarasoftware.com/Site/Home.html

Ableton Live on ipad is a nonsense, now. Ipad is less powerful than my pocket calculator, i guess. Maybe in the future (Ipad 5?). My wish was an audio/music big brand, like Korg, Roland etc. introducing something like "ipad" but for musicians: touchable, powerful, 15 inches, ONLY for audio and musical applications. That would be a little revolution.

For now, we have this, very interesting product: http://www.alesis.com/iodock
but to me it is redundant, since ipad is still kind of a toy for serious music applications.

[LoopStationZebra]

at the moment IPAD "instruments" and "sequencers" are still toys.

You're so totally wrong.

Synth apps like the Korg iMS-20 and NLogSynthPro are as good as any softsynth, and integrate well into a Live set - allowing you to use great synths whilst preserving precious CPU on your laptop for other plugs.

Controllers like touchAble - which gives you nearly unlimited access to your entire Live set, or Konkreet Performer - which totally elevates the controller to the level of an instrument, further drive the iPad and it's apps well into professional territory.

There's also several new sequencer apps which integrate perfectly with Live and take the whole thing to another level; even so far as to give one the ability to control other apps on your iPad or iPhone with the same sequencer.

At this point it merely boils down to a hardware/tactile vs iPad/touchscreen issue. But honestly, when I read of how the iPad is'nt serious yet, I have to chuckle because it's obvious that people aren't using it correctly or simply haven't dived in all the way.

[9V]

Ok, maybe I forgot to add IMHO. Anyway i doubt professional musicians use ipad. I hope some big name of audio hardware will introduce a special, professional kind of "music IPAD", as i've said before. Something like this would be a revolution, and permit musicians to unchain from computers.

[Styles Bitchly]

at the moment IPAD "instruments" and "sequencers" are still toys.

You're so totally wrong.

Synth apps like the Korg iMS-20 and NLogSynthPro are as good as any softsynth, and integrate well into a Live set - allowing you to use great synths whilst preserving precious CPU on your laptop for other plugs.

Controllers like touchAble - which gives you nearly unlimited access to your entire Live set, or Konkreet Performer - which totally elevates the controller to the level of an instrument, further drive the iPad and it's apps well into professional territory.

There's also several new sequencer apps which integrate perfectly with Live and take the whole thing to another level; even so far as to give one the ability to control other apps on your iPad or iPhone with the same sequencer.

At this point it merely boils down to a hardware/tactile vs iPad/touchscreen issue. But honestly, when I read of how the iPad is'nt serious yet, I have to chuckle because it's obvious that people aren't using it correctly or simply haven't dived in all the way.

I agree with your observation on the power of the iPad, and the general tablet concept as a whole. I looked at the Samsung offering and it's pretty awesome. I didn't even consider the idea of the iPad asn ancillary load distribution device for softsynths and such...that alone makes it worthy of strong consideration in the overall hardware mix. I've got to think that the Genie is out of the bottle with these tablets. I would like to see more accessibility on the iPad though such as at least a few USBV 3.0 ports, ability to attach an external hard drive, or better yet...an SSD.

[Styles Bitchly]

Ok, maybe I forgot to add IMHO. Anyway i doubt professional musicians use ipad. I hope some big name of audio hardware will introduce a special, professional kind of "music IPAD", as i've said before. Something like this would be a revolution, and permit musicians to unchain from computers.

I'm a professional session guitarist here in L.A. and I use one, so increment that count by 1 when you get a chance.

I think you're spot on with your idea of a "musicians edition" though...sort of the way AlienWare has beefed up Intel units specifically for digital audio production environments.

[WISH1]

It would be awesome to be able to sketch out some ideas on the iPad, then be able to transfer the work into the actual Ableton app on the computer. Or transfer the work you've made on the computer over to the iPad, to continue your work while you are on the go.

[9V]

Ipad Is nice. But I just think it is too "green" as a musician's tool, unless you are a "creative" one: in this case, you don't need ipad, because even commodore 64, an old frying pan, an out of tune mattel toypiano etc. can be tools. But for "normal" musicians ipad is (ouch! IMHO) just a funny toy. I know: ims20, ielectribe, FL studio, rebirth, etc. All nice... but nothing you can use outside ipad. For sketches, maybe... And always "one by one": they are "apps".

For instance, are IOS and android "enough"? What about audio performance? I mean, can you compare an ipad internal board to a 2000€ RME? What about latency? How many "instruments" (...) can you play together? Is the "app" format enough for a complex audio midi system? Etc. Etc.

Again, ipad is nice for sight reading, score sheets, notes, as a control surface... but for now it is nice for Angry Birds, above all.

P.S. by the way i am an "old" generation musician. Nowadays many so called musicians are always talking about computer features above all (64 bit, CPU, ram, gigabytes, osx, windows etc.), but often don't even know the difference between a 7th and a 3rd, so to speak. The day musicians will give a damn about computers and come back talking about music MADE WITH COMPUTERS (not viceversa) it will be the revolution IMO

[john gordon]

Ok, maybe I forgot to add IMHO. Anyway i doubt professional musicians use ipad. I hope some big name of audio hardware will introduce a special, professional kind of "music IPAD", as i've said before. Something like this would be a revolution, and permit musicians to unchain from computers.

you are totally right. the gorillaz arent professionals whatsoever and they just made a whole album with an ipad.

[9V]

the gorillaz arent professionals whatsoever and they just made a whole album with an ipad.

Pink floyd had to make an album only with kitchen tools (forks, pans, etc.), and it was 1971. Roger Waters sampled body noises (farts, burps, heartbeat etc.) in "music from the body" (1971). The Kraftwerk made music with 1 bit instruments. Einsturzende Neubauten played their music with jackhammers, metal panels, tubes, hair compressors etc. Because the gorillaz made a whole album with ipad, does not mean ipad is "for professionals". Because i have a videocamera does not mean i am a movie director and my videocamera is a professional tool, even if Lars Von Trier made 3 movies with a videocamera. Lucio Fontana's works are cuts in the cloth made with a knife: if i take a knife and cut a piece of cloth does not mean I am Lucio Fontana. The "Gorillaz" are the exception, not the rule. You can imitate the gorillaz, if you like. But you are not the gorillaz (are you?)

[LoopStationZebra]

There is no way that any audio or instrument manufacturer is going to come out with something better or more powerful in terms of something tablet based.

There's zero profit at this point, and catching up to Apple and the Android platforms would be impossible.

I mean, one could go the Lemur route of course....but look where they ended up.





Not that I'm against competition by any means. I think it would be incredible for someone to come up with this super touchscreen interface. But the problem? Their hamfisted design teams would FUCK IT ALL UP.

[9V]

Working on touch screen is nothing new. My 1995 korg trinity workstation had a 16 tracks sequencer on touchscreen, i made complete songs with it and it had hard disk recording possibilities, too... i recorded my singer and guitar on a 1gb iomega jaz connected to 4 trinity audio tracks. Oh, and it even "crashed" sometimes! So it was like nowadays . IMO, the smartest audio company should introduce a "music pad" right now, this is the time! Not iOS or android based (making music on a telephone os is quite embarassing, actually). I mean: a professional thing, not related to microsoft and apple whims. A musicpad, with a specific audio-music dedicated OS, with compatible plugins. Something capable to replace a DAW. A real "all in one" professional workstation, something costing not less than 1500 € but capable to free musicians from the computer world blackmail. I wonder why Korg, Roland, Yamaha... having background and possibilities, did not think about this. It would be something revolutionary IMO... P.S. This dream is addressed to ABLETON, too OF COURSE! "Ableton Pad" with live, max for live on board, no virus, no dongles, no computer crap... ONLY MUSIC! A REVOLUTION