MAC : Arpeggiator : Anything similar to Catanya VST?

[TechnoLover]

I am looking for a Arpeggiator (VST or AU) similar to Catanya VST ... I own it on my PC but would like to find something similar for Mac ...

Catanya is an arpeggiator that send midi output and owns a sequencer! It's really powerfull!

Thanks for your help!

[PHY6]

Five12 Numerology

[UncleAge]

Numerology is powerful indeed. It has a bit of a learning curve if you want to mimic some other pieces of software like Catanya or Thesys. Catanya, like a lot of pieces of software does one thing and does it well. Numerology allows for way more experimentation. I think of it as a lab really. I'd say it's out-of-the-box arp functionality is a little weak in comparison to some other dedicated arps like Catanya or Kirnu. Once you know your way around though you can create wonderful stacks that would take you way beyond what you'll find in other software. And it is one of the major reasons I added a mac to my studio.

As a side note... Keep an eye on a piece of software called Zyklus Improvisor. There isn't a graphical way to edit the midi data(hardware emu). However, it can record several tracks of midi performances and have them change harmonically depending on performance chord input and/or midi data from other tracks (even allowing the use of only the dynamics from the other track). The lack of a piano roll or some other way to edit what you have recorded may seem at first a bit limiting. Once I got the hang of it, it actually felt refreshing to go back to performance dependent data, reminding me of the old days with my Korg SQD-1. Now, I don't believe the save feature has been implemented for the version that is out right now but there is a mac version available as of this week and it's pretty stable on my iMac. If you can wrap your head around what it is trying to achieve you'll see it is much more powerful than Catanya.

[CR78]

Nice and FREE...

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[nuxnamon]

Numerology is powerful indeed. It has a bit of a learning curve if you want to mimic some other pieces of software like Catanya or Thesys. Catanya, like a lot of pieces of software does one thing and does it well. Numerology allows for way more experimentation. I think of it as a lab really. I'd say it's out-of-the-box arp functionality is a little weak in comparison to some other dedicated arps like Catanya or Kirnu. Once you know your way around though you can create wonderful stacks that would take you way beyond what you'll find in other software. And it is one of the major reasons I added a mac to my studio.

As a side note... Keep an eye on a piece of software called Zyklus Improvisor. There isn't a graphical way to edit the midi data(hardware emu). However, it can record several tracks of midi performances and have them change harmonically depending on performance chord input and/or midi data from other tracks (even allowing the use of only the dynamics from the other track). The lack of a piano roll or some other way to edit what you have recorded may seem at first a bit limiting. Once I got the hang of it, it actually felt refreshing to go back to performance dependent data, reminding me of the old days with my Korg SQD-1. Now, I don't believe the save feature has been implemented for the version that is out right now but there is a mac version available as of this week and it's pretty stable on my iMac. If you can wrap your head around what it is trying to achieve you'll see it is much more powerful than Catanya.

uncle age, can you go a little deep on who your routed ableton and Zyklus.. I started using it briefly the other night and couldn't figure out how to trigger anything..

[UncleAge]

uncle age, can you go a little deep on who your routed ableton and Zyklus.. I started using it briefly the other night and couldn't figure out how to trigger anything..

i can't do detail until i get back home in a couple hours.

i set the ports to accept the note data straight from my keyboard. and the for the performance data i used the iac buss. this allows the use of any other program like live, numerology or even harmony navigator for the performance data. after this i set the sync to external. the whole thing i had sync'ed to live on my mac. that's the best i can do right now as i am away from my comp on my phone

[nuxnamon]

uncle age, can you go a little deep on who your routed ableton and Zyklus.. I started using it briefly the other night and couldn't figure out how to trigger anything..

i can't do detail until i get back home in a couple hours.

i set the ports to accept the note data straight from my keyboard. and the for the performance data i used the iac buss. this allows the use of any other program like live, numerology or even harmony navigator for the performance data. after this i set the sync to external. the whole thing i had sync'ed to live on my mac. that's the best i can do right now as i am away from my comp on my phone

i got as far as accepting note data from my midi keyboard .. I've never used the IAC bus.. i subscribed to the yahoo user group and I thought they were using Midi Yoke.. yeah, if you have time, get into it more later.

[UncleAge]

are you on windows or osx?

[UncleAge]

@nuxnamon: If you are on a mac you can route midi between apps using the IAC buss. If you need more info on it just ask. On the pc you can use midi yoke to accomplish the same task. I haven't used it in a couple of years but I'm sure there are others here who can help you straighten things out should you need a bit of help.

1) So for starters I went to the drop-down box initially labeled as "Scenes/Harmonizer" and chose the "Ports" option.
2) First hit the "init" button that is horizontally across from the drop-down box. That will refresh ZI with the ports currently available on your system. These may or may not change depending on your setup. Either way you are now set to proceed.
3) I set my Rec/Thru to match my keyboard.
4) I set the Harmonizer In to the first buss on the IAC device. It's labeled "IAC Driver Device 1" on my system, yours could very well be different.
5) At the bottom of the "Ports" screen you have the 8 channels that can be assigned to a midi channel. Assigning each to a different IAC buss or midi yoke port/buss will allow you to set them up on different tracks in Live.
6) Choose "Sync" from the same drop-down box and setup which port you would like ZI to receive tempo/sync info from Live. And set the Mode to External.

7) Lastly you need to set Live up to receive and send what you need. In the preferences tab for Midi Sync (in Live) make sure whatever port you setup in ZI to receive tempo/sync info is also setup to send that info. Find the corresponding IAC/midi yoke "Out" port and set the Sync to "On".

Now with just this much done, when you start/stop things in Live they should also start and stop in ZI. You should also be able to put a vst on a track in Live and play it just as if ZI wasn't there. Now you'll have to adjust the "Midi From" on each track to match the corresponding IAC/midi yoke port and the corresponding channel in use in ZI. But once that is complete you should be good to go.

Each one of the channels in ZI can have four tracks recorded. You must select a number (1-4) to record your efforts. And you must select the number at the bottom of the channel to make it active. And don't ignore the other pages/tabs at the top of each channel (where the labels are "PSLA"). You may have to switch things from the Diatonic mode from time to time to get the desired results. And of course once you get this far the rest is fun.

My advice would be to use just a few channels at first. Record a simple chord sequence on one channel and maybe a simple melody on another. Then with the tracks unarmed check out what happens when you play chords against what has already been recorded.

I hope this helps in some way or another...

[edit] In step 4 it is perfectly acceptable to put this as your keyboard as well. There is another option somewhere that you will want to look for though that tells ZI to not harmonize while recording. Otherwise the info on the other channels that has already been recorded would change while you are recording the new track. And if none of that made sense it will soon after you set both (Rec/Thru and Harmonizer) to match your keyboard and try to record channels after your first one.

[nuxnamon]

are you on windows or osx?

I'm on OSX and thanks, your instructions got me alot further than what i tried when i first tried it.. i was able to atleast sync ZI w/ ableton and was able to record a couple of loops and have it play back triggering a vst in Ableton.. i can't seem to find a save function for Z1.. i guess it's still beta somewhat for osx and i gotta redo the settings you gave me each time.. now i just gotta really sit down and take a closer look at the user interface.. it looks very deep.. thanks for all your help..

[UncleAge]

i don't think the save is enabled yet. and setting all that stuff each time is a pain. i'm keeping my eye on it to see when it will have the save functionality.

[UncleAge]

also: his first crack at this was in max. and when you really look at the functionality it appears as though you can do most of this in live already. i've been kicking the idea of trying to make an m4l patch that could essentially do the same thing. from my understanding it's possible for different m4l patch instances to communicate. if that's true then the user could easily choose which tracks in live would be effected. then there is the issue of parsing the incoming midi & clip data and then passing it along with minimal delay. and in addition, being able to pass it to multiple tracks if required. lastly there is the logic needed to make the harmonic adjustments.

might make a good project for the holidays

[ambientidm]

numerology plus a launchpad in live is so amazing i can hardly believe it
add in the apc40 and the possibilities are astounding

[pre55ure]

Thanks for the tip on Zyklus, I had never seen this before and it looks awesome! However I'm having no luck getting it to run- ( I'm on osx 10.5. I know you need to have the Java 6 runtime installed, but is there anything else (like max?) needed to get it working? I open it and it just hangs at saying "system initializing, please wait..."
I'd really like to give it a try.

[UncleAge]

Thanks for the tip on Zyklus, I had never seen this before and it looks awesome! However I'm having no luck getting it to run- ( I'm on osx 10.5. I know you need to have the Java 6 runtime installed, but is there anything else (like max?) needed to get it working? I open it and it just hangs at saying "system initializing, please wait..."
I'd really like to give it a try.

the max runtime is wrapped into the app already. however, i can't help you with compatibility issues. your best bet is to leave a post over at the yahoo group.