Resampling. HELP!

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bigchrisscoota
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Resampling. HELP!

Post by bigchrisscoota » Mon Dec 05, 2011 10:20 pm

Okay! So! I know HOW to resample on programs like ableton and reason. Basically, for example, I make a synth, add some EQ, add some reverb, and so on and so on. Record the sound so its and audio file, add some EQ and effects again. Record THAT so its an audio file, etc, etc, etc......Now, I know this would help by decreasing the amount of CPU i'm using. But after reading loads of comments and blogs and stuff, people have been saying that resampling acctually affects the sound. I don't get how? If I did all the effects processing in one without recording the sound into a NN19 Sampler (lets say if i'm using Propellarhead's Reason), I would have thought it would be exactly the same if I did some processing, recorded it into the sampler, do more processing, recorded that into the sampler, etc, etc.......except it would have shit loads of lag because of all the CPU being used. Anyway, can someone explain to me what else resampling does aswell as reducing he amount of CPU being used.

Sorry for babbling.

Thanks.

kanuck
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Re: Resampling. HELP!

Post by kanuck » Mon Dec 05, 2011 10:50 pm

i've never heard taht it reduces sound quality but this is very easy to do in live which is why a lot of people like to use it for sound designing.

right click on the track select freeze.
give it some time

now the track should be all blue. if you're planning to go back and edit the track then leave it like this. Pretty much the files will be playing back audio = less cpu usage. If you want to edit the track again just right click and select unfreeze. if you want to print the frozen track you have a couple of options.

right click and select "flatten".
or copy and drag the frozen clip to a new track.

regretfullySaid
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Re: Resampling. HELP!

Post by regretfullySaid » Mon Dec 05, 2011 11:07 pm

I think the main point is that you're constantly adding effects and dynamic changes to the original sample so it gets father away from how it originally sounded. There's nothing wrong with that, it's just better when you know what you're doing.

Remember, you're constantly making changes to the sample over and over again.
If you know what you want to do then you can do it right the first time, like the kind of eq and compression if needed, otherwise you're constantly eq'ing an already eq'd sample and compressing an already compressed sample. Pretty soon it's just going to end up sound like a flat piece of noise. So, while it may not technically degrade the audio file itself (like bit depth and sample rate), the SOUND of it can lose it's flavor.

If you're able to try an experiment, make the changes you want to a sample, but instead of resampling it, turn off the effects, then do the same thing by adding more effects, then turn those effects off, then, do it again, so you basically have 3x the amount of effects you would usually have if you didn't resample. Now, turn on ALL the effects and listen to the sample.

Imagine giving someone a black eye, but it's not as big as you wanted it, so the next day you give them another black eye. They already have a black eye so you're just adding more black to the eye, but you're not happy with that so you give them another black eye until pretty soon their face looks like a rotting eggplant. The quality of giving them the black eye you wanted the first time would be better if you knew how to punch instead of throwing a round of small punches; you're still beating their face to a pulp and overdoing it.
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Re: Resampling. HELP!

Post by Tone Deft » Mon Dec 05, 2011 11:25 pm

kanuck wrote:i've never heard taht it reduces sound quality but this is very easy to do in live which is why a lot of people like to use it for sound designing.

right click on the track select freeze.
give it some time

now the track should be all blue. if you're planning to go back and edit the track then leave it like this. Pretty much the files will be playing back audio = less cpu usage. If you want to edit the track again just right click and select unfreeze. if you want to print the frozen track you have a couple of options.

right click and select "flatten".
or copy and drag the frozen clip to a new track.
and if you want to grab the audio files that freeze makes go to the 'processed' folder in the project for that track.
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bigchrisscoota
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Re: Resampling. HELP!

Post by bigchrisscoota » Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:21 am

shadx312 wrote:I think the main point is that you're constantly adding effects and dynamic changes to the original sample so it gets father away from how it originally sounded. There's nothing wrong with that, it's just better when you know what you're doing.

Remember, you're constantly making changes to the sample over and over again.
If you know what you want to do then you can do it right the first time, like the kind of eq and compression if needed, otherwise you're constantly eq'ing an already eq'd sample and compressing an already compressed sample. Pretty soon it's just going to end up sound like a flat piece of noise. So, while it may not technically degrade the audio file itself (like bit depth and sample rate), the SOUND of it can lose it's flavor.

If you're able to try an experiment, make the changes you want to a sample, but instead of resampling it, turn off the effects, then do the same thing by adding more effects, then turn those effects off, then, do it again, so you basically have 3x the amount of effects you would usually have if you didn't resample. Now, turn on ALL the effects and listen to the sample.

Imagine giving someone a black eye, but it's not as big as you wanted it, so the next day you give them another black eye. They already have a black eye so you're just adding more black to the eye, but you're not happy with that so you give them another black eye until pretty soon their face looks like a rotting eggplant. The quality of giving them the black eye you wanted the first time would be better if you knew how to punch instead of throwing a round of small punches; you're still beating their face to a pulp and overdoing it.
Ah! I think i get what your talking about! Thank you!

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