VST latencies

[theophilus]

This post copied from the long vst thread. Don't know a better place to put this, so I will just do it here. i've been doing the measurements in studio one for now. see next post on measuring latencies.

latency inducing plugins:

testing a lot of freeware & some payware plugins. don't know if there is a wiki we could put this on somewhere.
i'm lazy, the latencies are what presonus reports for the track @48KHz. Don't know what it does for 1-2 sample latency
(i think someone put how to show that earlier, but i can't find it now... so if you know, post it)
in some cases, the testing was done on demo/trial/'lite' versions of plugins, but until we get other results,
assuming that the latency would also be the same for the 'real' version. also, because of the above (and hoping there will data from multiple
people), assume latencies are at 48KHz unless otherwise specified.

note: instruments weren't checked (yet) to verify latency was reported correctly, but are probably right.

latency:
bootEQ mkII (3ms)
g200 KeroVee (14.1 ms)
DDMF LP10 (256 ms)
GSnap (10ms)
Amplitube 3 (0.1ms)
TRacks Black 76 (0.1ms)
TRacks White 2A (0.1ms)
TRacks Classic Comp (1.4ms)
TRacks Opto Comp (0.1ms)
TRacks Vint Comp 670 (0.1ms)
TRacks ProgEQ 1A (0.1ms)
Proximity (2.4ms)
FerricTDS (0.1ms)
Voxengo EssEQ (4.0ms)
Voxengo Boogex (2.0ms)
[from carrieres@KVR, in samples]
zebrify 16
zrev 16
george yohng's W1 limiter 64
Elevayta clone boy 4096
Elevayta freeq boy 4096
redline equalizer 4096
voxengo curveEQ 4096
bitspeekvst 600
decimort 21
toraverb 32
[my own investigations again]
DominatorFX CM edition (24 samples)
[esp81]
Fabfilter Pro-Q has zero latency by default unless you switch it to linear phase.
Fabfilter Pro-L has an 804 Samples (18.23 ms) latency @ 44.1.



Alchemy (1.3ms) (64 samples)
u-He Bazille (0.3ms)
u-He Diva (0.3ms)
u-He Zebra2 (0.3ms)
[from glitchrock-buddha - delays measured at 44.1 Khz]
Addictive Keys (1.5ms)
Aalto (5.8ms)
[from carrieres@KVR, delays in samples]
tyrellN6 16
diva 16
ace 16
alchemy 64


no latency (reports 0.0ms):
blockfish
bootEQ
modern plugins seventh sign, lost angel (assume others as well)
DDMF IIEQ Pro
blue cat free stuff
other GVST stuff except GSnap
IZotope Vinyl
Klanghelm DC8C
Korg MS20 FX
Pod Farm 2
Reverberate (zero latency mode)
Absynth5 FX
Reaktor 5 FX (tried with Native Yardstick, looked OK)
PSP Nitro
RP-distort
RP-delay
rsmet frequency shifter
rsmet engineer's filter
de la mancha 65
TAL chorus 60
TAL dub
TC M30 reverb
MadShifta
Tone2 Bifilter
ValhallaDSP plugs
Density MKIII
ThrillSeekerLA
ThrillseekerXTC black (assume blue same)
Molot03
Waldorf D-Pole
WOK 100CC
XILS3 FX
DCAM FreeComp
dblue _glitch, _stretch,_tapestop
Electric-Q (free edition)
JB ferox
Sonalksis Free-G
CoFX Chimecho
[esp81]
Fabfilter Pro-Q has zero latency by default unless you switch it to linear phase.


Arturia MiniMoogV
BigTick Rhino
CoFX Kubik
Phoscyon
Analog Warfare v3
Fabfilter One
Kamiooka
DSS-1
SampleTank 2.x
ImageLine DrumAxx
ImageLine Harmor
Korg MS20
LinPlug AlphaCM
Absynth 5
Kontakt 4
Massive
MoonSonoSX
SsdSampler
SonicProject OP-X Free
Dune BE
Zampler
Venom VB-303
TAL U-No-62
Tone2 Firebird
Waldorf Attack
Waldorf PPG Wave 2V
Wallander WIVI (pro player)
XILS 3
Vocaloid2
SonicOne Orchestral Strings
Scanned Synth CM
D16 Nepheton
Beat Zampler
Superior Drummer 2


error (crash when inserted):
paris EQ

[theophilus]

measuring latency in presonus studio one v2:

fairly easy, just drop it into a track, and at the bottom, under the sampling rate, it will show the current total track delay. that's the latency.


if you can't do that (live/m4l devices): the 'right' way would be to do this on an oscope (spectrum is probably actually OK, you are looking for absolute null) against a 100% dry signal. have two identical tracks, with the effect under test in one of then followed by a utility that inverts it (3dot method and an external audio effect in the other (set to 100% dry). send them to a common send to get them mixed. you'll also need to turn off delay compensation for this test, you can do that in the menu, or by sending the send back into an audio track (it will cause a loop that will disengage PDC for these chains). if they are zero latency, it will immediately null (nothing on the spectrum). if they don't, increase latency on the audio effect (you may need to switch to samples mode) until it does null; that's the latency.

[esp81]

Both NI Massive and Absynth have a 256 samples (5.80ms) latency according to my DAWs. Zebrify has 16 Samples (0.36 ms)... this is at 44.1 though.

[ze2be]

Hmm. Maybe the reason I get so much latency problems is because I use mostly Lives plugs and racks. Could you maybe add 3dots list to your list? Oh, and a request: could someone with studio 1 try the fabfilter pro plugs, especially pro q? Theres is trial versions of those at fabfilter.com

Edit: sorry, I just read your second post. Ill give it a go. Thanks for taking time to help us all.

[esp81]

Hmm. Maybe the reason I get so much latency problems is because I use mostly Lives plugs and racks. Could you maybe add 3dots list to your list? Oh, and a request: could someone with studio 1 try the fabfilter pro plugs, especially pro q? Theres is trial versions of those at fabfilter.com

Edit: sorry, I just read your second post. Ill give it a go. Thanks for taking time to help us all.

Pro-Q has zero latency by default unless you switch it to linear phase.

Pro-L has an 804 Samples (18.23 ms) latency @ 44.1.

[carrieres]

Both NI Massive and Absynth have a 256 samples (5.80ms) latency according to my DAWs. Zebrify has 16 Samples (0.36 ms)... this is at 44.1 though.

NI Massive and Absynth have zero latency in orion @ 44.1 !

[theophilus]

Both NI Massive and Absynth have a 256 samples (5.80ms) latency according to my DAWs. Zebrify has 16 Samples (0.36 ms)... this is at 44.1 though.

this is really interesting... how did you measure the massive/absynth latencies, and what patches did you use (maybe it's patch-dependent)? because i also got zero for both of those in studio one.

[banned]

Fwiw, REAPER also displays plugin latency in samples.

[carrieres]

Fwiw, REAPER also displays plugin latency in samples.

where ?
i don't use reaper but just to get the latency more conveniently i will use it

[theophilus]

just insert it, and it shows the latency the plugin reports at the bottom.

[theophilus]

bump, in case anyone has more updates (and because i needed the list and couldn't find it

[jorgecurioso]

Does anyone here use Arkaos Connect with Ableton and a drum rack? I can provide plenty of detailed information upon request but my basic issue is thus so far:

I finger drum with audio clips in samplers in a drum rack using a Midi Fighter Spectra. I use Arkaos Connect VST to send midi to GrandVJ and trigger video clips on the same computer. I have virtually no delay in my finger drumming (my finger isnt off the button before audio is heard) when I do not have Arkoas Connect loaded. As soon as I load Arkaos Connect, I experience close to a second of delay when drumming. There is virtually no delay between Ableton and GrandVJ (the visuals actually trigger BEFORE the audio is heard).

Any thoughts from the community?

Could it have something to do with the MF Spectra and Arkaos Connect tripping over eachothers feet? (Both using MIDI with ableton).

Or is the plugin itself a generator of latency?

[theophilus]

if it's a VST, if you have the recent beta, you can hover over the VST and see if it reports any latency....

you should be able to have more than one controller hooked up without issue, so them tripping over each other shouldn't be a problem.