[Waaay OT] Celebrations in Moscow

anonymouse · Post by **anonymouse** » Tue May 10, 2005 11:36 am

This is waaaay OT, not sure if anyone else is thinking this, but ...

We regularly hear from the Americans that they had to come and save Europe from the Nazis, or that the RAF in the Battle of Britain single-handedly turned the war around. The US and UK have been acknowledging their own heroism for decades. Not at all undeserved, many gave their lives to secure a peaceful future for the rest of us..

But recognising that 27,000,000 Russians perished in WWII in the struggle to maintain the freedom of Western Europe, I'm feeling a strange sense of history not being quite as advertised by the British and the Americans.

I'm not Russian, but it seems quite injust that the sacrifice made by Russia has been so sidelined by the other victors.

It is good to see it getting proper recognition at the current festivities in Moscow.

I guess I'm just feeling a sense of the truth being re-balanced somewhat, when you consider WWII from the Russian's point of view (despite the political developments there following the war).

Just wanted to give a signal of appreciation for all those who died during WWII, but also to particularly recognise the huge contribution of Russia, which generally gets forgotten in European/American history books.

forge · Post by **forge** » Tue May 10, 2005 12:14 pm

anonymouse wrote: Just wanted to give a signal of appreciation for all those who died during WWII, but also to particularly recognise the huge contribution of Russia, which generally gets forgotten in European/American history books.

most countries all over the world have a stronger interest in their own history than others - maybe it's more that the US and UK have made their cultures more far reaching around the world, but why else would you care whether their ideas about the Russians were fair or not??

You probably wouldnt care what the north Koreans thought of the Japanese or the Nigerians about the Somalese, or the Papua New guineans about the Estonians?

anonymouse · Post by **anonymouse** » Tue May 10, 2005 12:24 pm

yes forge, you're right.

we all write our own histories, to suit ourselves. Whether they are personal or national.

I guess I was just talking about redressing the Hollywood imbalance.

wilsonrx · Post by **wilsonrx** » Tue May 10, 2005 2:47 pm

Its probably because they replaced one dictatorship (Hitler) with another (Stalin) in Eastern Europe. The Western Allies felt a great sense of disappointment after the war ended as they had failed to liberate all of Europe and start a golden age of democracy.

The UK did, at the end of the day, go to war against Germany as a result of Poland being invaded - when the war ended Poland was still occupied, but this time by someone else.

That being said all of Europe would still be doing the goose-step if it wasn't for the Russians. So it is only right to recognise the contribution made to defeating National Socialism.

Former Pharaoh · Post by **Former Pharaoh** » Tue May 10, 2005 3:00 pm

Do you know how the Nazis were able to defeat Poland? They marched in backwards and said they were "leaving".
Sorry, i had too. I love polish jokes.

stockbender · Post by **stockbender** » Tue May 10, 2005 6:12 pm

"but why else would you care whether their ideas about the Russians were fair or not??"

because its about the "truth",,if it wasnt for the Russians, Europe and England would be crushed. The Germans were on the verge of having an A-bomb , we would all then be kissing Hitlers ass.... so like said above...much respect to "all" who fought and died including Germans.

PS...Blair is an asshole for not attending, no excuses.

louZ · Post by **louZ** » Tue May 10, 2005 6:48 pm

stockbender wrote:"but why else would you care whether their ideas about the Russians were fair or not??"

because its about the "truth",,if it wasnt for the Russians, Europe and England would be crushed. The Germans were on the verge of having an A-bomb , we would all then be kissing Hitlers ass.... so like said above...much respect to "all" who fought and died including Germans.

PS...Blair is an asshole for not attending, no excuses.

Blair is an asshole anyway

hambone1 · Post by **hambone1** » Tue May 10, 2005 7:01 pm

Is this the Ableton Live forum?

mocco tosca · Post by **mocco tosca** » Tue May 10, 2005 8:23 pm

sometimes

Former Pharaoh · Post by **Former Pharaoh** » Wed May 11, 2005 1:18 am

Did i tell you guys the joke about how the Nazis defeated Poland? They marched in backwards and said they were "leaving"!
HA HA HA...................................ha

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