Session crossfade from one clip to another

[jbw]

This would be cool to have, especially when working with audio instead of midi: the ability to crossfade in Session Mode from one clip to another, the same way you can crossfade in Arrangement Mode.

And no, I don't mean those clip fades already available in Session Mode to remove clicks, I mean full on crossfades.

It could be set up so that you set the length of the crossfade for each clip, like a bar, or a half bar, or whatever, and then you just use the volume envelope as you normally would, except it would crossfade to the next clip instead of having an abrupt transition.

[S4racen]

If you mean a clip in the same track then this is impossible, you could achieve a fade out and fade in....

If you mean across two tracks then this would be possible and could be achieved i believe with CLiphX and definitely with Max4Live...

Cheers
D

[jbw]

If you mean a clip in the same track then this is impossible...

It's not possible now, which is why I put the request here in the wishlist forum.

[S4racen]

Understand, but you're asking for Live to change it's entire way of working....

Cheers
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[jbw]

Understand, but you're asking for Live to change it's entire way of working....

Cheers
D

Not really. This would just give users another option in Session Mode. A person might say, you know, I'd really prefer this clip to crossfade into the other clip. Then they'd go ahead and set up crossfade for those two clips.

It would add to Live, not change it.

[jbw]

I will admit it would be somewhat tricky to program, because of all the possible clip progressions, but it could be done.

It could be set up where you select/highlight two clips, Clip A and Clip B, tell Live to crossfade when Clip B plays after Clip A, then set up the parameters of that crossfade.

[chapelier fou]

i wouldn't be surprised that it's a structural limitation to live. Changing this 'little' thing could involve a massive amount of changes that we couldn't possibly imagine.

[jbw]

i wouldn't be surprised that it's a structural limitation to live. Changing this 'little' thing could involve a massive amount of changes that we couldn't possibly imagine.

Could also be that they haven't thought of it yet.

If they can get crossfades to work in one channel in Arrangement Mode, no reason to think they can't get them to work in one channel in Session Mode. It would in essence just be sliding the timing of one clip backwards, timing which could be compensated for by the user if needed. All the variations of clip progression does put a twist on things, but really those issues would more have to be dealt with by the user than Ableton.

[chapelier fou]

If they can get crossfades to work in one channel in Arrangement Mode, no reason to think they can't get them to work in one channel in Session Mode.

Except that in arrangement, you can predict the changes.

[jbw]

If they can get crossfades to work in one channel in Arrangement Mode, no reason to think they can't get them to work in one channel in Session Mode.

Except that in arrangement, you can predict the changes.

Predict? Not sure what you mean.

[Angstrom]

If they can get crossfades to work in one channel in Arrangement Mode, no reason to think they can't get them to work in one channel in Session Mode.

Except that in arrangement, you can predict the changes.

Predict? Not sure what you mean.

Arrangement is Linear.
Session is non-linear.

In arrangement Live knows that clip 1 is followed by clip 2 at 4.1.1 it can do whatever pre-allocation it needs to do, get a buffer ready, whatever. In Session the launch of a clip might happen at any time, it's start might be set to 16th notes, or no quantise at all. We might take a sudden notion to jump cut through 20 clips in staccato fashion, or not. In order to cross-fade in the same way that Arrangement does would require Session to know what is about to happen.

It could of course do it differently than arrangement. It could only allow clips to have a fade out which overlaps any following clip.

One thing we know from the arrangement track crossfading feature is that a single Live track is capable of mixing two audiostreams (two clips can overlap and both can output). so that's not a limitation. We know that a basic Live audio track can output multiple streams combined. So it's plausible.

[jbw]

In order to cross-fade in the same way that Arrangement does would require Session to know what is about to happen.

That's why it would have to be set up beforehand by the user.

Maybe it could be an addition to the "Launch" section for clips, or whatever. The main thing is you already have great ability to determine how and when clips will play. This would just be one more way, and a good way as far as I'm concerned. Crossfades for clips in Session Mode! Come on, try to see it. Go to your latest project and think to yourself, what if I could apply a crossfade from this clip to that...



Okay maybe not the most groundbreaking feature, but I myself think it would be pretty cool.

[chapelier fou]

jbw, we're not saying it wouldn't be a nice feature, of course it would be !

[S4racen]

jbw, we're not saying it wouldn't be a nice feature, of course it would be !

Agreed! Sorry if i was negative....

Cheers
D

[Angstrom]

jbw, we're not saying it wouldn't be a nice feature, of course it would be !

completely. Session crossfading would be excellent, but I was pointing out that in Session even I can't say what clip I'm going to play next, so the arrangement method of using a part of the desination clip in the source clip would not be possible. Not unless Live can predict the future.

That said, if you would like to do Session Crossfading the way I currently do it, I describe my method here
viewtopic.php?p=1634464#p1634464

it's certainly not perfect for all situations, but for theatrical scene-changing it works. It doesn't require M4L, or Clyphx, but it does require "dummy clips"