Controlling Chain Select with Dummy Clips?

[mylkoa]

Hello.

Here's a 53 second video that explains my question. Thanks for your help!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4LNklzC4Cg

[Winterpark]

If you want to control the envelope of a device, the device you want to control has to be on the same channel that you have the clip that is triggering the envelope change (in your case, the chain selector parameters change).

So, you work around is to swap the clips over.... have the midi notes you want to send on a channel that feeds to the channel with the instrument and fx on it, and the dummy clips on the actual instrument channel.

[TomViolenz]

1.) don't expect me to click on a video to find out what your question is

2.) Clyphx (x-clip) is your solution

[Pitch Black]

Use the Mac's IAC Bus for a MIDI-loopback setup.

Set your IAC Bus MIDI prefs as below. (If IAC isn't showing, you'll need to enable it in OSX Audio/MIDI Setup)

Enable "Remote" for the input, and enable "Track" for the output. That's all you have to do.



Anything, anywhere in Live that can be MIDI-mapped or MIDI-triggered, can now be controlled by clips containing the relevant notes or CC data.

Let's say you map your chain selector to CC#20, for example.

As per your video, set your "controller" MIDI track with clips that contain CC#20's to send to the IAC MIDI output [Select "IAC Driver" in the track's MIDI To selector]. Live receives the CC's on the IAC MIDI input and moves the chain selector accordingly.

As long as you set the IAC MIDI preferences as shown, you won't have any issues with MIDI feedback-loops etc.

In my live set, I have two CC-laden clips, one that resets all my mixer parameters, and another one that resets my dub/delay/feedback effects returns.

[mylkoa]

Let's say you map your chain selector to CC#20, for example.

Thanks, Pitch Black.

How do you map your parameters to the CC# you want?

I have a Push and BCR2000 as far as external controllers go, and I know I can open the MIDI Mapping window and click on the Chain Select, and then move a nob that's been assigned to CC20, but I'm wondering if there is a way I can MIDI map the selector without using an external device?

Cheers.

[mylkoa]

1.) don't expect me to click on a video to find out what your question is

2.) Clyphx (x-clip) is your solution

1) Why not?

2) don't expect me to see "ClyphX is your solution" and regard your answer as having any weight

[TomViolenz]

1.) don't expect me to click on a video to find out what your question is

2.) Clyphx (x-clip) is your solution

1) Why not?

2) don't expect me to see "ClyphX is your solution" and regard your answer as having any weight

What a rude and unthankful little fucker you are...

[mylkoa]

What a rude and unthankful little fucker you are...

Ditto

[Pitch Black]

Let's say you map your chain selector to CC#20, for example.

Thanks, Pitch Black.

How do you map your parameters to the CC# you want?

I have a Push and BCR2000 as far as external controllers go, and I know I can open the MIDI Mapping window and click on the Chain Select, and then move a nob that's been assigned to CC20, but I'm wondering if there is a way I can MIDI map the selector without using an external device?

Cheers.

Yeah you will have to use a hardware control temporarily to assign the CC to the chain selector, as Live doesn't have any other way of creating mappings.

You only need to do this temporarily, and then you can draw in the CC values into your MIDI clips using the clip envelope pane.

[mylkoa]

I enabled IAC, like you said, and it works like a charm. Thanks!

That would be great if one could MIDI map without needing to use an external physical controller, yes? That would save time not having to reprogram nobs/buttons.

What controller do you use? Is it easy to program?

[Pitch Black]

I use a Novation Remote SL61 mk2 and an Evolution UC-33. The Novation is easy to program on the hardware or via a Mac editor, and the UC-33 is a royal pain to program in hardware, but fortunately has a software editor too.

[mylkoa]

Cool. I've been exploring controller options lately for a variety of different uses - that's why I asked.

I've read a bunch of user manuals for different controllers, and I tried some out at guitar center yesterday (the sales people didn't seem to like that I brought my laptop with me to test things)... looking for ways to do punch-in/out with buttons, ways to quickly assign something to a certain CC# I want, and more...

And then today, I started researching the user mode in Push, and turns out that a controller I already own has a lot of the functionality I was looking for! For example, check this out:



So, like the example above at least now I can quickly assign my Chain Selector to CC20

Plus, the top left button (yellow) that acts as CC20, sends a value of 127 when it's pushed, and then it sends a value of zero when released - that means it can be used as a punch in/out, woohoo!

So anyways... if you ever end up adding a push to your arsenal, thought you might like to know. Seems to go good with this IAC control method

[mylkoa]

P.S. Is there a way to make that damn picture smaller?

LOL

[siliconarc]

good tips here, but there's a much easier way get the desired result:

no need for dummy clips on a separate track. just duplicate the one of your Analog midi clips 3 times (one for each chain) and give each one a different chain via the clips' automation, then set all 3 clips' Launch modes to Legato. now you can switch effects whenever you want by retriggering the clips, and because the clips are set to Legato, the notes in the loop will keep playing rather than retriggering with each clip launch.

demo project here: download

[Pitch Black]

^^^ Nice one gary! It never occurred to me to use legato mode for controls like that, thanks!