external instrument midi feedback issue

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amook11
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external instrument midi feedback issue

Post by amook11 » Mon May 16, 2016 12:54 am

so its my first time connecting external midi (in this cas ms 20) to abelton . i get feed back /delay when I play a note . there is a number "1" in yellow square box just below midi track section when I tick it off it resolve the issue . but when I do it and record some thing there is no sound after I play it back ! iam guessing its simple thing iam missing here but since iam new to this I dont know what it is . can any one help? thanks

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Re: external instrument midi feedback issue

Post by contortrix » Mon May 16, 2016 4:17 am

This sounds like the MS20 signal is going through your speakers/headphones twice. if I am understanding this correctly, it sounds like "clicking off the 1" is you turning the track off, in which case you would of course not hear the MS20 play, nor hear the recording of it play. Can you verify that you're not sending the MS20 signal through your setup twice?
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Re: external instrument midi feedback issue

Post by Stromkraft » Mon May 16, 2016 4:32 am

amook11 wrote:so its my first time connecting external midi (in this cas ms 20) to abelton . i get feed back /delay when I play a note . there is a number "1" in yellow square box just below midi track section when I tick it off it resolve the issue . but when I do it and record some thing there is no sound after I play it back ! iam guessing its simple thing iam missing here but since iam new to this I dont know what it is . can any one help? thanks
All this with only one track with the Live External Instrument in it? What happens if you turn off the track output?
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Re: external instrument midi feedback issue

Post by amook11 » Mon May 16, 2016 8:37 pm

contortrix wrote:This sounds like the MS20 signal is going through your speakers/headphones twice. if I am understanding this correctly, it sounds like "clicking off the 1" is you turning the track off, in which case you would of course not hear the MS20 play, nor hear the recording of it play. Can you verify that you're not sending the MS20 signal through your setup twice?
I dont know if iam sending the signal twice ! how do i check that ? and can you tell me how to fix it ?
- when 1 is on and I play a note on ms20 i hear the note twice kinda like a delay effect but when I record and export it to wav and play it i hear it all fine .
- when 1 is off I can play a note on ms 20 and can here it through speaker fine . when I record and export it to wav. file and play the wav file there is no sound .

I took a screen shot here is link : https://i.imgsafe.org/3a1cdb6.png

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Re: external instrument midi feedback issue

Post by amook11 » Mon May 16, 2016 8:40 pm

Stromkraft wrote:
amook11 wrote:so its my first time connecting external midi (in this cas ms 20) to abelton . i get feed back /delay when I play a note . there is a number "1" in yellow square box just below midi track section when I tick it off it resolve the issue . but when I do it and record some thing there is no sound after I play it back ! iam guessing its simple thing iam missing here but since iam new to this I dont know what it is . can any one help? thanks
All this with only one track with the Live External Instrument in it? What happens if you turn off the track output?
I upload a screenshot . iam compeletly clueless as I never connect external instrument to abelton . can you tell what am i doing wrong from screen shot ?
https://i.imgsafe.org/3a1cdb6.png
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Re: external instrument midi feedback issue

Post by contortrix » Mon May 16, 2016 9:02 pm

Delete all audio channels, or make sure they are all set to "no input" instead of the default "Ext in". This sounds like your external instrument is playing through at least two of your channels.
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Re: external instrument midi feedback issue

Post by amook11 » Mon May 16, 2016 9:14 pm

contortrix wrote:Delete all audio channels, or make sure they are all set to "no input" instead of the default "Ext in". This sounds like your external instrument is playing through at least two of your channels.
i did . still same problem . I upload two new screen shot . one of them is from ableton preferences maybe im doing something wrong there ?!
can you check these two new link please
https://i.imgsafe.org/6bc5cc9.png
https://i.imgsafe.org/92a3ec9.png
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Re: external instrument midi feedback issue

Post by amook11 » Mon May 16, 2016 9:30 pm

contortrix wrote:Delete all audio channels, or make sure they are all set to "no input" instead of the default "Ext in". This sounds like your external instrument is playing through at least two of your channels.
when I change "audio from" to no input I hear sound coming out fine without any delay effect . but after i export there is no sound . https://i.imgsafe.org/d18d723.png

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Re: external instrument midi feedback issue

Post by PHY6 » Mon May 16, 2016 9:32 pm

In your soundcard software mixer.
Turn down the inputs, now live will control the input sound via the external instrument.
So what you hear is what you record.
You might hear the sound a fraction later, depending on your buffer settings and soundcard latency.

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Re: external instrument midi feedback issue

Post by contortrix » Mon May 16, 2016 9:37 pm

You'll need to leave the "audio from" in your External Device alone. If you set that to "no input", you won't get audio from the external instrument. Change that back to whatever your MS20 is plugged into on your sound card, and you should be good.
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Re: external instrument midi feedback issue

Post by amook11 » Mon May 16, 2016 9:39 pm

PHY6 wrote:In your soundcard software mixer.
Turn down the inputs, now live will control the input sound via the external instrument.
So what you hear is what you record.
You might hear the sound a fraction later, depending on your buffer settings and soundcard latency.
yes that was the problem . thank you very much .

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Re: external instrument midi feedback issue

Post by PHY6 » Mon May 16, 2016 9:41 pm

No problem, now make some noize !

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Re: external instrument midi feedback issue

Post by amook11 » Mon May 16, 2016 10:10 pm

PHY6 wrote:In your soundcard software mixer.
Turn down the inputs, now live will control the input sound via the external instrument.
So what you hear is what you record.
You might hear the sound a fraction later, depending on your buffer settings and soundcard latency.
now there is a new issue: when i open a drum rack in live i cant here it unless i turn the input volum back up in my sound card software . lol .god iam feeling so stupid now : ) . i attached screen shot from sound card software can you tell if iam doing it right from screen shot https://i.imgsafe.org/e195ee8.png

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Re: external instrument midi feedback issue

Post by PHY6 » Mon May 16, 2016 10:35 pm

turn up the one you circled, and turn down the first four. The ones that are up.
Now you will have sound input only via daw.

Now live will control the inputs. 4 mono 2 stereo.
1 and 2 will probably be the main audio master, what is called daw in your setup...i think.

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Re: external instrument midi feedback issue

Post by amook11 » Tue May 17, 2016 6:12 pm

PHY6 wrote:turn up the one you circled, and turn down the first four. The ones that are up.
Now you will have sound input only via daw.

Now live will control the inputs. 4 mono 2 stereo.
1 and 2 will probably be the main audio master, what is called daw in your setup...i think.
thanks man that sorted out the issue how ever when i do that I get crackling noise and sounds comes out of speaker very laggy . I dont know what the issue is , i guess i should ask that in another forum . but thanks . atleast i know what caused the unwanted delay effect :)

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