Clip launch not synced to arrangement

[Proxy-M]

Is this normal behaviour?

When i launch the arrangement anywhere but on a first bar, the clips running from the session view do not sync, despite their launch quantisation (set to one bar in this example). They start at 'beat 1' even if the arrangement is on 'beat 2'
I like to work on arrangement (scrubbing, starting anywhere i like) while some clips from the session are running along (in sync)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/h60xf6u0puyz5 ... 0.mov?dl=0

Is there a setting i am missing to fix this?

[Razz CE]

I think your problem might be that you're playing the arrangement from that scrub(?) tool. That thing has no launch quantization in Live's arrange view. So it starts playing exactly where you click, and the metronome is playing relative to the arrangement, while the clip seems to be launching at the same time as arrange view playback. Also, launch quantization doesn't seem to apply when the clip is already active for playback (i.e. the play button on the clip is already highlighted green). It will just start playing whenever playback starts. If you were to play from arrange with the clip stopped and then actually launch the clip from its internal play button, it should launch on the first beat of a bar.

[Proxy-M]

Thanks for your reply. Despite the launching with the scrub too, it also happens when i click anywhere in the arrangement (you can see that too in the movie at 0:17) and start it from there. In bigwig, the clip always plays in sync, no matter where i set the arrangement to start. I agree this is not part of the launch quantisation, still the clips should play in sync with the arrangement, wherever you set your starting point.

I cannot remember every having this behaviour, it seems like a setting but i cannot find it.

Could anyone test if they have the same behaviour?

Look at bigwig:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/61cy0ys80nlyc ... g.mov?dl=0

[Razz CE]

You're right - the first part of my reply was off the mark.

I'm pretty sure the second part is accurate though. It's normal behavior. If you have a clip that is active for playback, with the green play icon highlighted, then it starts whenever playback starts. It has already been "launched". It's the same on my system. The way you get it to quantize its launch is to start playback with the clip stopped and THEN play the clip.

Otherwise you are playing a launched clip, which starts simultaneously with playback, and if you start playback off-beat, then your clip will be out of sync

[Proxy-M]

You are right. I understand how to get it to run in sync the way you explained and also why it does not play in sync (because a clip always starts at 1 every time i start playback wherever that is). I'm just wondering if this behaviour is 'right' or 'preferred' is maybe a better word and thought that launch quantisation might also apply to arrangement launching instead of other clips. And if so if there is a setting to change it. I don't see the need to run a clip out of sync with the arrangement. In Bigwig it is impossible to run the clip out of sync. That would mean there are virtually two independent playbacks. My guess is Ableton prefers session playback consistency over arrangement+session playback consistency.

So what do you think about how it works in bitwig? Can you see the clip 'catches up' to run in sync with the arrangement, wherever i start playback. The clip 'knows' where the arrangement is at that time. Here is another clip where i start the arrangement around 4.3 and you see the 2 bar clip start near the end of the clip so it starts in sync. At least I would want to have a choice between behaviours.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/jeujz0owoysap ... 2.mov?dl=0

Not trying to have a 'vs' discussion here, i was just surprised about this behaviour. And like i said, i somehow never noticed this behaviour before until today, although i often run a single clip (a short four to the floor kick with the output set to "sends only" to trigger the side chains in my compressors) along with my arrangement. I guess i mostly start playback at a first bar or at least on the beat.

[Razz CE]

So what do you think about how it works in bitwig?

Yeah, that's probably a better way, but tbh its just so rare for me to run into this problem that I can't think of any time it has actually mattered. What I do find to be kind of a pain is the fact that the scrub tool in session view doesn't consider the phase of other playing clips in a scene. Though to be fair, clips are different lengths and it would probably be hard to implement a behavior that would make sense across a range of scenarios. Still, it's so common that I want to preview part of a clip that's 3 bars into a four bar pattern, or 7 bars into an 8 bar pattern, and I either have to solo the clip or just play all the way through the sequence because the rest of the pattern will be out of sync with it if I launch it from the scrub tool.