Fuck innovation...where is the soul?

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disco45
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Fuck innovation...where is the soul?

Post by disco45 » Sun Jul 10, 2005 12:56 am

Have you noticed how as the years go by music moves you less than ever....

Compare...Roberta Flack with Plastik[dickhead]man.....

Just gonna prepare my air-raid shelter now
:)

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Post by ryansupak » Sun Jul 10, 2005 12:58 am

don't know if i agree entirely with the chronological theory you have -- but yes, i'd rather hear something that is truly musical, and full of expression, than an entire legion of creative DSP uses, that aren't musical.

rs

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Post by Komplex » Sun Jul 10, 2005 12:59 am

compare apple with orange :)

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Post by disco45 » Sun Jul 10, 2005 1:04 am

i do think The Dance by Derrick May is soulful....but that's because it sounds like magic.....and he probably had some musical heritage and knowledge to make that record

People need to learn how to play again and start learning how music works (not technology)...then we can have some great music again!

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Post by Komplex » Sun Jul 10, 2005 1:17 am

yeah I know what you're getting at, and I think exactly the same but the best way to do this is let people develop at their own pace and most of all practice what you preach. however the good soulful music is out there at all times, you can't expect to drop a random big name and instantly base your whole theory on that one name... dig deep a little and you will find the music you are after.

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Post by disco45 » Sun Jul 10, 2005 1:31 am

All I'm trying to say is mainstream music sounds rubbish at the moment and has done for a long time (at least ten years)...it sounds as exciting (or as dull) as a dry McDonald's burger for breakfast on a Monday morning.

Why I am constantly looking to the past for my musical highs these days?

perhaps I'm getting old! :P

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Post by hoffman2k » Sun Jul 10, 2005 1:41 am

disco45 wrote:All I'm trying to say is mainstream music sounds rubbish at the moment and has done for a long time (at least ten years)...it sounds as exciting (or as dull) as a dry McDonald's burger for breakfast on a Monday morning.

Why I am constantly looking to the past for my musical highs these days?

perhaps I'm getting old! :P
What do you expect......?
The mainstream are horny 14-year olds.

:wink:


If i could turn back time.....

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Post by disco45 » Sun Jul 10, 2005 1:51 am

you know, if I could turn back time, I would make you mine! :D

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Post by leisuremuffin » Sun Jul 10, 2005 2:04 am

the term "soul" is bullshit.

the idea that innovation = good is bullshit.



the simple fact is this: in every genre (regardless of how your individual tastes run), there are a few people doing amazing things and then a whole bunch of mediocre stuff and then some complete shit.



whatever.


-lm
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Post by disco45 » Sun Jul 10, 2005 2:48 am

Superbly put. Agreed. :D

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Post by Angstrom » Sun Jul 10, 2005 3:50 am

reminds me of ...
I used to be with it, but then they changed what "it" was. Now, what I'm with ... isn't it, and what's "it" seems weird and scary to me.
grandpa simpson.

;)

realistically

there are definate flaws in the music industry that may be worse today than ever, downloadable distribution hasn't cured the marketing problem of having the airwaves & promo channels dominated by people with a taste for factory farmed 'musicians'


there's still good stuff out there with 'soul' ... but as I look back /listen back to a variety of older stuff I am often struck by the skills of crafting a good song. Now those skills are often replaced by a really basic formula and nobody says anything against it. In the past - pop often had quite complexand interesting musical arangements and themes. Not that I always appreciated them ...but they were there!

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Post by Former Pharaoh » Sun Jul 10, 2005 4:03 am

Face it, the idea of music is old. It is time for the next phase of utilizing sound. No longer will verse chorus verse satiate the vibrational fields utilizing the human vessels. No longer will limited scales ala major and minor create that force field that allows one to dance, weep or what have you.
The next evolution of sound is upon us here in the 3RD Dimension, lying over our very being! Who will utilize it? Who will be the first to implement the egoless and illogical song of Gaia? WHO WILL IT BE?????????


Ok...now to make some REAL music and take a dump.

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Post by Livewire » Sun Jul 10, 2005 4:49 am

the difference between the past and the present is that more people have the oppurtunity to make music now.

so there are still very talented people out there that make great music, but now there are way more other people not so talented people that wana get rich by selling their music.

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Post by MrSleep » Sun Jul 10, 2005 6:00 am

choclate use to taste so good as a child. :cry:
hurry up.... mr squigle....

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Re: Fuck innovation...where is the soul?

Post by drush » Sun Jul 10, 2005 6:17 am

disco45 wrote:Compare...Roberta Flack with Plastik[dickhead]man.....
metal fans aren't going to have much good to say about polka and vice versa.

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