Do everything in session view?

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fashoom
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Do everything in session view?

Post by fashoom » Sun Apr 08, 2018 6:39 pm

Hi, I've looked at Live over the years, am reevaluating it currently. Got the Live 10 demo and it seems pretty strong.

Has session view been developed to the extent that one can produce and mix a song in it completely w/o using arrange view at all?

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Re: Do everything in session view?

Post by jestermgee » Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:18 pm

produce and mix a song
That's basically the definition of the requirement for Arrangement view.

You can setup scenes/clip-s to "perform" a whole song, you can even make it auto follow and play from start to end if you like but Session view is mainly for storyboarding ideas or building a performance set to perform, not really for creating a full sequence or "arrangement".

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Re: Do everything in session view?

Post by Da hand » Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:32 pm

To add to jestermgee's reply, the whole point of having two different views in Live is that they do different things - not just for cosmetic reasons. So I don't see why Ableton or anyone working with Live would ever want Session View to be automated to the point of just being a copy of the Arrangement View.

However, as mentioned, you can find ways already to automate things, but they are not done as easily as in Arrangement View and can be sometimes awkward workarounds as they go against the spirit of the Session View. In the end, either way, you'll need to record a "final take" in arrangement view to render the song out :wink:

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Re: Do everything in session view?

Post by fashoom » Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:44 am

jestermgee wrote: You can setup scenes/clip-s to "perform" a whole song
How can you setup scenes to perform a whole song? I can't find that in the user manual or any videos I've looked at. From what I can tell the Max for Live Follow device is the only way to do this.

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Re: Do everything in session view?

Post by S4racen » Tue Apr 10, 2018 6:21 am

Not wanting to do myself out of a sale but...

Follow just makes the work involved minimal and allows you to loop scenes at will, you could set Follow Actions for every single clip in each track so that they progress to the next clip... To Loop the playing scene you'd need to highlight it and trigger it at it's end manually.

Other solutions include MIDI loopback but that's a little messy and not as intuitive as the above option.

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Re: Do everything in session view?

Post by fashoom » Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:31 am

S4racen wrote: Other solutions include MIDI loopback but that's a little messy and not as intuitive as the above option.
I can't find MIDI loopback in the user manual. Have you got a pointer? Or is that another solution like follow actions that would require setting up on every clip?

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Re: Do everything in session view?

Post by S4racen » Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:13 am

Yeah it'd need setting up on every clip...

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Re: Do everything in session view?

Post by jlgrimes » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:54 pm

fashoom wrote:Hi, I've looked at Live over the years, am reevaluating it currently. Got the Live 10 demo and it seems pretty strong.

Has session view been developed to the extent that one can produce and mix a song in it completely w/o using arrange view at all?

You probably could using resampling but you would be taking out a good portion of Ableton’s functionality using only Session.


Arrange View is better for transitions and punching in.

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