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Automate Return tracks in Session view?
Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2023 12:32 pm
by laurentius
Can I automate devices/fx racks on Return tracks inside Session view? I need different time-divisions on my return-delay channels for different scenes within my live set. Is that possible?
Re: Automate Return tracks in Session view?
Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2023 12:41 pm
by chapelier fou
No. Use an Audio track with dummy clips in between.
Re: Automate Return tracks in Session view?
Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2023 4:15 pm
by Greenapples2019
I think you can do it using Max for Live and/or ClyphX Pro by setting up different chains for each of your FX and then selecting the relevant chain using clips in a MIDI channel but chapelier fou knows way more than me about this stuff so I could be talking bollocks.
Re: Automate Return tracks in Session view?
Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2023 4:58 pm
by S4racen
Theres a free device thats part of the Modular Series LE TWO, it's called Return and does exactly what you're looking for, you place it on an audio track, and use envelopes in clips to control devices on a return track...
You can get your hands on it by signing up at
https://isotonikstudios.com/isotonik-friday-subclub/
Cheers
D
Re: Automate Return tracks in Session view?
Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2023 5:04 pm
by laurentius
Thanks, that sounds perfect!
Re: Automate Return tracks in Session view?
Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2023 1:17 am
by laurentius
chapelier fou wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 12:41 pm
No. Use an Audio track with dummy clips in between.
How do I control the time division of my Echo-Return track though from any audio channel/dummy clip?
Re: Automate Return tracks in Session view?
Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2023 6:13 am
by chapelier fou
What I meant is that you can simply route a return track to an audio track.
Leave your return track empty and put your effects in the audio track.
Re: Automate Return tracks in Session view?
Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2023 9:15 am
by Greenapples2019
laurentius wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 1:17 am
chapelier fou wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 12:41 pm
No. Use an Audio track with dummy clips in between.
How do I control the time division of my Echo-Return track though from any audio channel/dummy clip?
You can map the time division to a macro and then use MIDI clips to change that macro. You can then also MIDImap a controller to that macro.
If you only want certain time divisions you can set up chains for each one you want and then use MIDI clips or a controller to select the relevant chain.
Re: Automate Return tracks in Session view?
Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2023 12:37 pm
by laurentius
Greenapples2019 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 9:15 am
laurentius wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 1:17 am
chapelier fou wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 12:41 pm
No. Use an Audio track with dummy clips in between.
How do I control the time division of my Echo-Return track though from any audio channel/dummy clip?
You can map the time division to a macro and then use MIDI clips to change that macro. You can then also MIDImap a controller to that macro.
If you only want certain time divisions you can set up chains for each one you want and then use MIDI clips or a controller to select the relevant chain.
I mapped the Macro for that to my Midi controller already. But there are some tunes where I need to automate it. I just don't get how I could map that macro to a Midi clip (which is another channel obviously).
Re: Automate Return tracks in Session view?
Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2023 9:21 am
by Greenapples2019
You would be able to do it in Max For Live. There may already be a device available, or you could customise chapelier fou’s excellent “le grand duc”.
Re: Automate Return tracks in Session view?
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 7:07 am
by chapelier fou
Seriously just route your return track to a dedicated audio track.
Re: Automate Return tracks in Session view?
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 12:15 pm
by laurentius
Yep,
probably the "cleanest" solution. Still not as clean as it should/could
Thanks anyway!