Curves and Lines

nebulae · Post by **nebulae** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 9:32 pm

Not sure if this has appeared as wishlists, but I'd really like automation curves (not just lines) and I'd like a line tool so that I can to straight ramps in midi velocities. Or even curve tools in midi to build cresendos.

I know I know, it's the cubase in me...but those are nice tools.

anti-banausic · Post by **anti-banausic** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 6:11 pm

I agree, and this has been asked for.

EnergyXT has pretty cool MIDI velocity and envelope controls.

Perhaps it is difficult for the Abes given the present implementation?

Would really love bezier curves and the like.

Ditto that, ditto.

Nod · Post by **Nod** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 2:58 pm

nebulae wrote:Not sure if this has appeared as wishlists, but I'd really like automation curves (not just lines) and I'd like a line tool so that I can to straight ramps in midi velocities. Or even curve tools in midi to build cresendos.

I know I know, it's the cubase in me...but those are nice tools.

Seconded (thirded?) - bezier and S-curves would be fantastic. Something relatively simple like right clicking between two points gives you a drop down menu of linear, abrupt, lazy and S perhaps?

nebulae · Post by **nebulae** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 3:04 pm

Yeah, the right-click idea is great.

But I do really want a line tool for midi editing to create smoother velocity ramps. REALLY critical.

supster · Post by **supster** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 5:25 pm

yes, big one - curves are needed for smooth crossfades in arrange, automation on clips .. very impt imo
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Max Kachanoff · Post by **Max Kachanoff** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 10:43 am

It was a problem that i've been faced yesterday editing a clip.
Stages are cool in the sense of rhythm basis, but sometimes curves are much better.

treaclle · Post by **treaclle** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 8:47 pm

yes yes yes! i know this thread seems to have died out, but i have found myself desparately wanting these features recently! please can we have them?

thanks everyone,
alex

darkenedsoul · Post by **darkenedsoul** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 2:46 pm

Hi,

Are you talking about in the envelopes window? Or and including elsewhere? I found it by accident, takes a bit of editing but I set the block increase (from 0 to max say) across some segments (start and finish for fade in/out) in edit mode, double click the dot after I have them arranged how I want and it goes to curve. Now granted it isn't as pretty as being able to draw a curve (and I was very surprised it didn't do this as a default) but it is doable in some instances. I haven't checked in the manual to see how it describes this editing though so it may be there and I just happened upon it by accident/putzing around. I need to use Live more

Can you clarify exactly where/how you'd want to do this so I can see if I am off the mark here with regards to what you are wanting to do?

Mike

treaclle · Post by **treaclle** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 7:54 pm

thanks for the reply mike! i was excited to hear u had achieved curves but then i failed to get it working myself! doh!

i think we're talking about anywhere, not just the envelopes window. like automation on the arrange page and midi velocities as well.

could u provide more detailed steps of how u got curves? and what version of live can u do this with? where do u set the block increase? if i'm understanding what you're saying, i'm surprised double clicking a point makes a curve. as far as i can tell, double clicking on any automation point actually deletes it!

to clarify: anywhere it is currently possible to draw a line, we'd like to be able to make the line a curve!

cheers,
alex

darkenedsoul · Post by **darkenedsoul** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:22 pm

Hi Alex,

When in Arrangement View you can draw the volume envelope (which what I was doing for fade in/out). I don't have Live in front of me at the moment either. Going from memory....I think I have Envelope window in view in the clip/session view and drag the envelope (volume setting?) down for a few segments (depends on how long/sharp the curve is) I think i draw mode, then go out of that mode and click (double) on the o on the corner of the first higher segment and work your way up. I believe this was done in the Envelope window and I believe the same can be done from the arrangement window for adding in fade in/out.

Hope that helps, if not, reply and let me know and I'll go thru the motions to get specifics. I don't use Live as much as I really should be (not as much time for music w/new job

).

Mike

treaclle · Post by **treaclle** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:50 pm

thanks again mike, but i'm still lost! i've kinda followed what you've written, but i've never known double-clicking on a breakpoint (the 'o' as you put it) to do anything but delete it! i tried it again with everyone combination of key press i could just to make sure, but they are just deleted! no curves! thanks for the offer, and yes, please do go through it all and let us know what your exact steps are.

has anyone else achieved what mike is talking about?

thanks everyone,
alex

/. · Post by /. » Sat Mar 04, 2006 2:31 am

i quess it aint gonna happen, unfortuantely..
look at volume slider in live, if you rise it down from 0 db to infinite and always keep the same moving speed youll get curved type faded out sound, cause construction of the audio channel is not linear. im not sure if you got my point but if you draw this in automation window:
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then your real automated sound will look like this:
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you can check it yourself in any audio editor program. and now think about all those automations drawn in previous als files, all those songs done. and here comes a version of live where lineary drawed automation is really linear [ not curved instead] then it would pretty much change the way soungs sound. and also think about all those effect knobs [ which i havent tested yet ] ... i quess abes would pretty much understand what im talkin' bout if theyd read it.
an a also understand why did they made it that way. many programs use curved type.. reason for instance...
i even gave up talkin' about it, cause i doubt it would change, if i wanna do linear fade out ill just throw a sound in some [ advanced ] wave editor. am not even expecting something like this from live [ though it would be cool if implemented ] but as i like to say, different progs for different frogs.

DJSK · Post by **DJSK** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 5:35 am

Curves!!!!!

darkenedsoul · Post by **darkenedsoul** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 4:00 pm

OK, I fired it up just now. I used 3 audio clips. I set follow on actiion and size of each clip to get past default 1 bar. Click the draw tool on top bar, go select envelope for the clip (double click to view it in lower right pane) then draw down from beginning out a few segments (4-5 to get good curve). Then deselect the draw tool and you'll see the red circles. Double click those and VIOLA! you have your curve! You can do the same from within Arrangement view as well for each clip to set up fade in/out for your individual clips and I think you can do it for one overall track but haven't gotten back to that yet,

So there you have it, CURVES! I just wish we could draw them easier, i.e. like Acid does.

Mike

ketracide · Post by **ketracide** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 7:05 am

yes, I think we all want curves.

I would like sine, square, sawtooth, etc. envelope tool a la Digital Performer. I also think bezier, s, logirythmic, parabolic, and exponential curves would be nice.

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