automate your sends of the return tracks!

kabelton · Post by **kabelton** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 12:09 am

just use clips with controller data and make a hardware midi-loop, that's it.

timothyallan · Post by **timothyallan** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 12:07 am

or use midi-yoke for ITB instead of hardware loop

Meef Chaloin · Post by **Meef Chaloin** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 8:03 pm

why do you need to do any of that to automate the sends? i can just press record & move it and its automated. I don't understand what you're saying.

kabelton · Post by **kabelton** » Sat Aug 20, 2005 12:17 am

recording is useless for playing live. every song has a different send adjustment. it's important to automate the sends in session view, that's the point!

gerald

Meef Chaloin · Post by **Meef Chaloin** » Sat Aug 20, 2005 11:02 am

so you have a clip just with automation on which you loop to control another loop?

kabelton · Post by **kabelton** » Sat Aug 20, 2005 11:19 am

a clip with automation to adjust the sends.

gerald

Kas. · Post by **Kas.** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 1:25 am

Make a send channel, don't put in any effects. You'll be using the send knobs of you audio tracks to send to this. Route it's output to the input of a new regular channel. Put that channel's monitoring ON.

Fill the regular channel with blank clips or whatever other clips of the right length (you won't be hearing those anyway since monitoring is on). Put effects as desirered on that that channel. Use the automation of the blank clips to automate the effects just like you would normally.

Presto; looped automation on a send track without the use of MIDI (only 128 steps!) or loopback drivers or anything.

Enjoy.

kabelton · Post by **kabelton** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 4:28 pm

hi kas,
that's a very good trick, but you need more tracks and it's good to see all tracks playing live. with the resize feature in live5 no problem anymore.

thanks

Kas. · Post by **Kas.** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 6:26 pm

Well, what I sometimes do in 4 is doing this to all send channels, then hiding the "real" sends and labeling new automated ones with big capslocked letters.

The good thing is that you can automate what effects are on and off and so if only your third track of your set needs a resonator on a send then that won't cost you schreen space to the tune of one whole track. But, yeah, extra tracks still cost some cpu (but then so do loopback drivers).

much better would be you joining my "mention it every once in a while" campaign in favour of having automation only looping clips in the vertical view for return tracks. My campaign has good points and bad ones. The good points include that it'd be usefull and that the space is already there. Bad points include that it's not having much effect so far except for the Abes noting there's some merrit to it and that it won't be in version 4.

;¬)