Question about Nudge function.

[PJ]

Hey.

I have the Demo installed on my PC at the moment and thinking of Buying Live 5 soon. But ill have a question about the nudge function in Live.

Im gonna use Live for "Live DJ´ing", hook the PC to an extarnal mixer and then use a MIDI controller to controll Live 5. But now when i have been testing Live 5 it seems that the nudge function isnt what im expecting. The problem is that the nudge has to big GAP when i press the nudge forward or nudge back button in Live. I know i can change the quantization but it dosent seems to help. I mix quite fast tunes (around 150 BPM) and i cant get two tunes to get exactly in BEAT when using the nudge buttons.

I know i need to practise more to learn how to start the other tune exactly at the right time, but if i fail with lets say... 0.5 sec i need to use the nudge to get it in BEAT. But the GAP is to big for me. Is there some other settings or something else i can do to decrease the Nudge GAP ??

Would be more then happy if someone could assist me.
Sorry for my bad english and gramma. Im swedish

Regards

[PJ]

Hmm did it help to set the quantization to "None" ? It seems so, i will do some testing.

Regards

[silliwilli]

Have you actually warped your tunes?

[PJ]

Cheers for the reply silliwilli.

Yep i have warped them, i just got back from work and i will sit down tonight and do some more testing with the quantization set to "None" and see if it did the thing for me.

Regards

[bassntreble]

I know i need to practise more to learn how to start the other tune exactly at the right time, but if i fail with lets say... 0.5 sec i need to use the nudge to get it in BEAT. But the GAP is to big for me. Is there some other settings or something else i can do to decrease the Nudge GAP ??

the nudge function was not meant to be used like this, it only nudges in quantized steps. what you need to do is take more care when warping your files and everything will match up.

[sweetjesus]

Hey.

I have the Demo installed on my PC at the moment and thinking of Buying Live 5 soon. But ill have a question about the nudge function in Live.

Im gonna use Live for "Live DJ´ing", hook the PC to an extarnal mixer and then use a MIDI controller to controll Live 5. But now when i have been testing Live 5 it seems that the nudge function isnt what im expecting. The problem is that the nudge has to big GAP when i press the nudge forward or nudge back button in Live. I know i can change the quantization but it dosent seems to help. I mix quite fast tunes (around 150 BPM) and i cant get two tunes to get exactly in BEAT when using the nudge buttons.

I know i need to practise more to learn how to start the other tune exactly at the right time, but if i fail with lets say... 0.5 sec i need to use the nudge to get it in BEAT. But the GAP is to big for me. Is there some other settings or something else i can do to decrease the Nudge GAP ??

Would be more then happy if someone could assist me.
Sorry for my bad english and gramma. Im swedish

Regards

I'm not sure if you are trying to get some 'free flow' dj'ing happening in Live or not, but if you HAVE warped everything correctly, and you are triggering things correctly, you could load an instance of the simple delay plugin, with the the dry/wet setting set to 100% wet, and adjust the delay timing (when set to use milliseconds as opposed to a sync delay) with a midi controller. May get glitchy, but may help you get the timing sorted.

But it really sounds like a warping issue.

[LiveLong]

The nudge is NOT what the DJ's are in a need for... This is just another way to jump in q values.

You will not be able to "touch the plate" and mix into your records.

And

Even when tracks are perfectly warped there is a need for some way to move them arround, like a delay, or pre delay. When mixing the comming track might be a bit behind till he/she takes the lead. put some soul and real groove to your sets. the perfect boring warped mixes are what makes it sound like a computer.

I went over this with Voxengo sample delay, so I can nudge tracks a bit when I need and this helped me overcome what was bothering me the most in the software (beside not being able to create my own red/purple and black skin ). Sometimes I actually listening with the headphones (I mix with multi outs to a dj mixer) like it was another record while mixing.

I remember some way to emulate a nudge with midi, or some simple midi software, like the Plastikman Xone. It was here on this board. Maybe a tempo envelope to trigger as I think of it now is there any way to trigger a clip with a tempo envelope that will add/ substract from the master tempo I go to check that shit out...

[PJ]

cheers again for the replyes guys!

OK, so did i get this right now? I cant use Live 5 as for example Tractor DJ with the nudge function? Sorry if it sounds dumb but im new to the application, well if the nudge function is not able to do what i want i dont think Live 5 is something for me Damn i tought this was the PERFEKT software.

Lets put it like this, i have warped every track perectly... then if i miss to hit play on the incoming tune for lets say 1 sec then i must be able to fast forward that track to get in the right beat (bar). I tought that the nudge function was to bring the incoming (or wathever track, tune ill play) forward so ill get it in the right bar. I dont know how other people do when they Mix but if i stand infront of 2 turntables....start off the first one, and then at the right bar (first beat of a new bar) ill release the other track, and gosh i released it 0.5 seconds to late, then ill just use the pitch on the turntable or my finger to forward the second track to get in beat. (And now we assume that the 2 tracks are the exactly same BPM)

I know you guys know what i mean, well just let me know with a YES or NO if i can do this with the nudge function when 2 tunes are correct warped.

If this is a function that is not available in Live 5 then ill have to look for another application. (PLS tell me im wrong!!!)

Cheers again for a great forum and alot of replyes.

[PJ]

The nudge is NOT what the DJ's are in a need for... This is just another way to jump in q values.

You will not be able to "touch the plate" and mix into your records.

Ill guess thats the answer.... = NO. Hmm sad...to sad. Maybe ill keep my 1210 and get a pair of CD players instead of going over to Computer mixing.

Or am i wrong??? Backup needed ASAP

Regards

[Machinate]

you *can* use the nudge like this, no problem... don't listen to them... live can do almost anything you want, mate.

BUT; I find the best way of "touching the plate" is by selecting the bpm window and going a bit up, then down with the arrow keys.

[PJ]

Cheers, i just tested the Nudge function again, and yes they must be wrong but at the same time not, so no offence now guys ok I really appriciate your answers and help = nice forum!

Becourse i tested to set the nudge function to "None" then i released the other tune a tiny bit too late and then nudged the incoming tune to get it in beat. And yes it works the way i want it. And if the gap is to small i just set it to "1/32" and then nudge to get it nearly right, then finally back to "none" to just nudge with small small amounts to get the beats exactly over eachother.

JEEEEEEEEEHAAAAA guess whos happy!!!
Finally i can make my desicion and go buy it!!

Now its just to make sure to get a nice Midi Controller. But ill do a search for it on this forum. Im intrested in the Bitstream controller. But at the same time REALLY intrested in the Xone 3D.

So this means that people can use the Nudge as a backward / forward search function in Live 5 (i cant say it can act as a pitch becourse then im wrong)

Cheers again for all the replyes! More questions will come so be prepared!

Regards

[PJ]

BUT; I find the best way of "touching the plate" is by selecting the bpm window and going a bit up, then down with the arrow keys.

I will test this aswell to see if its more functional for me, or else ill just stick to the nudge. I guess both ways works fine.

Regards

[LiveLong]

Hey PJ, Do not get confused. You can always match trax that are playing from live. Set the launch to a bar or so and your next track will always start on beat. The nudge is to mix into external stuff, like a track from Live mixed to a turntable (if you play after another dj...) You can also do a "needle drop" with the lower part of the sample view. Also will always be on time. What I mentioned before was a way to move a track to get the mix sound better, after they are both warped perfectly.
With the right launch setting the situation you mentioned of hittin' play 0.356543ms late can not happen.

Get Live, it is the Sh?©†©?ßç it

[PJ]

Cheers LiveLong

The "problem" seems to be "ME" not Live 5
Im new to it thats why. Ill need to practise more with the application, thats all i guess.

I have one more question doh...
I havent got an Midi Controller yet but i will soon. Is it possible to map one button on a midi controller to act as an play (and another one for stop), i know i can do it , but how would i do it. For example today i can assign a key for the the first Audio track on Scene 1, then another for Audio track 2 on Scene 1.
This way is not so good becourse then ill have to assign alot of Play and stop buttons for each track and Scene row. Lets say i use 16 tunes in a mix. that would be alot of keys to assign.

Is it possible to assign ONE play key (or button on a midi controller) and then be able to choose Scene row and Audio track with another button (joystick maybe or rotary controll on a midi controller). If how do i do this? I havent figured out this yet. But i know its possible. Just dont know how

If someone will and can explain it i would be very happy.

Cheers again guys.

Regards

[b|c]

Yeah you can set the nudge to 1/32 or off to use it as nudge for beatmatching. I don't care how well your songs are warped they are still sometimes off depending on the attack of the kick drums etc...
The problem I am having is that I use the drop in function where I use the bottom have of the waveform to drop in at bar 64 or whatever. With the drop in function I want the quantization set to 1bar, so I can miss by anywhere up to a half bar and the song will still start on the downbeat. BUT then I want to use nudge to sync up the tracks, but if course nudge also locks to the global quantization just like the drop in function, so I'm screwe. I either have to have no nudge or I have to work things out ahead of time and set the play start markers for every track ahead of time...
I wish there was a true nudge function (what the heck else would you use a nudge function for besides syncing up two tracks, whether ableton to ableton or ableton to external turntable or whatever). Nudge needs its own quantization setting, separate from the global one.