Setting Loop Points with a Controller

danmetcalfe · Post by **danmetcalfe** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:06 pm

Hi There

Im new to the Forum and am thinking of converting to Ableton for Djing I have a behringer BCF2000 and wondered if anyone knew of a way of seeting loop in and out points with the external controller. Im trying to re create the drill kill effect that can be done on a Pioneer CDJ1000

Any Ideas I would really appreciate any help

BTW marvelous bit of software.

sweetjesus · Post by **sweetjesus** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:17 pm

in the clip properties, you can assing rotary knobs to the "Position" and "Length" paramaters to adjust the loop length fatboy slim style ala Akais950's

As well as that, you can have some fun after assigning buttons to the "set" button next to each of those giving you "Loop start" and "Loop end" type controls ala pioneer CDJ's.

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 2:11 pm

what is the drill kill effect? Is it anything like this effect?

sweetjesus · Post by **sweetjesus** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 2:18 pm

Machinate wrote:what is the drill kill effect? Is it anything like this effect?

i am pretty sure he is talking more about getting a loop and shortening its length until it reaches the point of rapid stutter.

danmetcalfe · Post by **danmetcalfe** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 2:49 pm

Hi Guys

Thanks for the replies. I am trying to shorten loop once set with a rotary controller.

When trying to set the loop length over midi the increments between each step are too big is there another setting that reduces the length of steps between each change.

Thanks guys

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 2:53 pm

sweetjesus wrote:
Machinate wrote:what is the drill kill effect? Is it anything like this effect?
i am pretty sure he is talking more about getting a loop and shortening its length until it reaches the point of rapid stutter.

well technically that's what I was doing. A one-bar loop reduced to small divisions of 1, manually, with a controller

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 2:55 pm

danmetcalfe wrote:When trying to set the loop length over midi the increments between each step are too big is there another setting that reduces the length of steps between each change.

yes, that's the global quantize setting. At the top, to the right of the play/stop/record buttons.

Isomer · Post by **Isomer** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 10:05 pm

Hey, sweetjesus, you mentioned the ability to assign rotary knobs to "position" and "left" paramaters within clip properties. I am still on Live 4 and those settings are not midi-mappable. Is that a new change in Live 5 or am I missing something here? I should also mention I am referring to a vocal audio loop and not a midi-loop--in case there's a difference there.

By "Clip Properties" I assume you mean "Clip View"? Right?

Thanks in advance for clarifying...

sweetjesus · Post by **sweetjesus** » Thu Nov 24, 2005 10:56 am

Isomer wrote:Hey, sweetjesus, you mentioned the ability to assign rotary knobs to "position" and "left" paramaters within clip properties. I am still on Live 4 and those settings are not midi-mappable. Is that a new change in Live 5 or am I missing something here? I should also mention I am referring to a vocal audio loop and not a midi-loop--in case there's a difference there.

By "Clip Properties" I assume you mean "Clip View"? Right?

Thanks in advance for clarifying...

yeah dude, live 5 is where things really fell into place from me. i really needed to be able to adjust loop points in realtime and i think you will find live5 has a lot more of the basic essentials which makes it comparable and above and beyond CDJ's.

grfld · Post by **grfld** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 9:29 am

danmetcalfe wrote:When trying to set the loop length over midi the increments between each step are too big is there another setting that reduces the length of steps between each change.

Thanks guys

Maybe the controller is set to "absolute". So every knob or fader will present values from 0 to 127, this means: If you have a large sample, its length will be devidet by 127 and this resulting length is your step width. If so, you should change the rotary knobs to "relative" (press and hold "edit" and the turn the encoder to select - it's number should be displayed - then turn the most right encoder until the display shows "rel". Then press "edit" again to save this setting)

cia, grfld

Goran@Irrupt · Post by **Goran@Irrupt** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:55 am

sweetjesus wrote:yeah dude, live 5 is where things really fell into place from me. i really needed to be able to adjust loop points in realtime and i think you will find live5 has a lot more of the basic essentials which makes it comparable and above and beyond CDJ's.

on the contrary, to me this was the letdown in L5. ok, in L4 i couldn't do this trick with midi controller, but i did it manualy, more precise and without high level quantisation. then, i could move small loop section all over the sample and make totaly new melodies out of it. if you try to do that in L5, you'll notice how start of the loop point is a way delayed to your movements. it's a really shitty bug which i reported a couple of times in bug section.
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jethrosipho · Post by **jethrosipho** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 2:35 pm

I'm not sure if I understand your problem correctly Website, but are you sure you have your clip update rate in preferences/misc set to 1/32? That should solve the lag...

udp · Post by **udp** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 3:37 pm

I just learned a new trick, thanks to you all! What fun.

Goran@Irrupt · Post by **Goran@Irrupt** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 4:34 pm

jethrosipho wrote:I'm not sure if I understand your problem correctly Website, but are you sure you have your clip update rate in preferences/misc set to 1/32? That should solve the lag...

nope, this didn't solve my problem. try it for yourself.
thanks for the advice, though.
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