DJing tracks with pickup notes

[The Benjamin]

Playing around with the Live 5 demo (I'm only registered through 4). I was trying to mix (DJ-style) a track that starts on the 'and' of 3. I hoped that when I used the "Set 1.1.1 Here" command to put 1.1.1 on the actual downbeat and the track start position to the actual start of the track (-1.3 or whatever), Ableton would treat everything before 1.1.1 like the pickups they are. Then I could trigger the track and the pickups would sound starting on the 'and' of three (with respect to the already playing track) and 1.1.1 would fall on the downbeat of a measure. Alas, no such luck.

Does anyone have a workaround for this? The only thing I can think of is to put a bunch of warp markers, starting with 1.1.1, at the silence at the start of the track, and then have the first pickup be warped at 1.3.3. Problem with this work-around: how do you make it work if you've auto-warped the track?

Any help would be appreciated. And let me know if what I describe doesn't make sense--I recognize that maybe I haven't described that very well.

[Tarekith]

Just move the Clip playback start marker a bit earlier, that's how I would do it.

[StSt]

One of the ways I deal with this is to render the warped clip in the arrrangement view, staring with your putative "one" on the start of the second measure. Render the clip from the beginning of the first measure, and your pickup notes and fills will all be included after a partial measure of silence. Trigger from the start of th new rendered clip. Hope this helps,

StSt

Playing around with the Live 5 demo (I'm only registered through 4). I was trying to mix (DJ-style) a track that starts on the 'and' of 3. I hoped that when I used the "Set 1.1.1 Here" command to put 1.1.1 on the actual downbeat and the track start position to the actual start of the track (-1.3 or whatever), Ableton would treat everything before 1.1.1 like the pickups they are. Then I could trigger the track and the pickups would sound starting on the 'and' of three (with respect to the already playing track) and 1.1.1 would fall on the downbeat of a measure. Alas, no such luck.

Does anyone have a workaround for this? The only thing I can think of is to put a bunch of warp markers, starting with 1.1.1, at the silence at the start of the track, and then have the first pickup be warped at 1.3.3. Problem with this work-around: how do you make it work if you've auto-warped the track?

Any help would be appreciated. And let me know if what I describe doesn't make sense--I recognize that maybe I haven't described that very well.

[The Phat Conductor]

i always use follow actions for this sort of thing. it doesn't involve any rendering, and it's not hard to just click a bar early or whatever.

[Machinate]

i always use follow actions for this sort of thing. it doesn't involve any rendering, and it's not hard to just click a bar early or whatever.

are you using an extra clip before the song to do this? Please elaborate.

[The Phat Conductor]

yea, totally.

i have all types of spacer clips in my sets and tunes. usually they are just an audio clip with the volume down, or a midi clip with nothing in it (except maybe to initialize some setting for a mix or whatever). then i make them white, and number them so i can know how long they are.

you can easily do it on the fly too. like really easy.

[Machinate]

good tip with the length marking and colour coding. Definitely.

[The Benjamin]

Conductor, how would you do it on the fly?

The best method I've been able to think up would be to set up a new audio track and record a loop from one of the playing tracks, then use a volume envelope to turn off the sound and drag the start and end markers to make it the right length spacer. But is there a faster way?

[Machinate]

Conductor, how would you do it on the fly?

use some preset "spacer-clips" - you can even make a bunch with different lead-in times, like half a bar, 1/4 of a bar, etc. Just place them above the clip with the lead-in in session view.

Once you have a bunch of these preset clips just select them all and drag them to the browser to save them as your "spacer-templates", in .als format.