Converting program change numbers to CC numbers

kjazz · Post by **kjazz** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 7:15 am

Hello,

Am I right in saying that Ableton does not explicity handle MIDI program change numbers? I have a Roland GR-33 that can send out program change numbers. Does anyone have a way of converting that to a CC #. Maybe using MidiPipe (I use a Mac).

Also, is it possible to assign a single MIDI control to multiple items in Live, e.g., use one MIDI cc# to solo two tracks.

Thanks!

Kevin

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 7:20 am

Hi Kevin.

To answer In reverse order:
One cc can only control one thing in Live.

However, since you'll need to convert your program changes to something anyway, you can convert the program change to TWO separate notes/cc values in one fell swoop.

Check out :: http://www.charlie-roberts.com/controlAid/ for this stuff, it's great.

Cache · Post by **Cache** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 8:33 am

damn!!! thats a guy who understands his MIDI.
i hope his music writing skills are not as good as his technical abilities or we're all screwed!!!!

good link Andreas!

Michael-SW · Post by **Michael-SW** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 10:30 am

What do you want to do with the program change messages?

Change patches on Live's instruments/effects? Can't be done, unfortunately, AFAIK.

Change patches on a VST synth? Should work fine with just monitor on at the midi track (with many VSTs)

Change something else? Then you need to convert to CCs.

kjazz · Post by **kjazz** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:17 pm

Machinate wrote:Hi Kevin.

To answer In reverse order:
One cc can only control one thing in Live.

However, since you'll need to convert your program changes to something anyway, you can convert the program change to TWO separate notes/cc values in one fell swoop.

Check out :: http://www.charlie-roberts.com/controlAid/ for this stuff, it's great.

Thanks Machinate for the link. Do you know what the difference is between midipipe and controlaid? I tried his other piece of software, midistroke, but I couldn't get it to work.

Thanks!

Kevin

kjazz · Post by **kjazz** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:24 pm

Michael-SW wrote:What do you want to do with the program change messages?

Change patches on Live's instruments/effects? Can't be done, unfortunately, AFAIK.

Change patches on a VST synth? Should work fine with just monitor on at the midi track (with many VSTs)

Change something else? Then you need to convert to CCs.

I'm a guitarist and I want to use Live as both a real-time signal processor, synthesizer and clip controller. I use a GR-33 to switch do pitch-to-midi conversion simultaneous with my guitar signal.

I need a way to changes patches in Live. My approach would be to create a series of Live tracks with their own unique patches. I would select them by soloing the track by using the program changes produced from the pedals on my GR-33. I don't know, but I'm hoping that soloing will reduce the cpu load by disengaging the effects on the other tracks.

I don't understand why Live can't handle program changes as unique MIDI events. But it looks like I'll need to dive into ControlAid.....

Thanks,

Kevin

bigbadotis · Post by **bigbadotis** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:24 pm

Hi Kevin,

What version of OS X are you using? If you're not using at least panther, midiStroke and controlAid won't work.

MidiPipe is much more flexible than controlAid for most tasks. That said, controlAid has some specific features that it implements easier. You can use MidiPipe to convert program change messages to notes or ccs, but as far as I can tell you will have to find an Applescript to do so. In controlAid there is just one box to click.

- Charlie

kjazz · Post by **kjazz** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:36 pm

bigbadotis wrote:Hi Kevin,

What version of OS X are you using? If you're not using at least panther, midiStroke and controlAid won't work.

MidiPipe is much more flexible than controlAid for most tasks. That said, controlAid has some specific features that it implements easier. You can use MidiPipe to convert program change messages to notes or ccs, but as far as I can tell you will have to find an Applescript to do so. In controlAid there is just one box to click.

- Charlie

Hello Charlie,

Are you the developer of controlAid? I'm using 10.4.3. Have you tried your software on 10.4.4? I'm leary of updating until I find out if Live, Logic, M-Audio and other programs/hardware play well with it.

I will try out controlAid and let you know how it goes.

Thanks!

Kevin

ToBe · Post by **ToBe** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 11:43 pm

Program Changes can be converted and changed to MIDI Continuous Control Messages via Max for Live e.g. via the Program Change to MIDI CC from this Max for Live pack:
https://blog.abletondrummer.com/convert ... n-ableton/
https://blog.abletondrummer.com/convert ... n-ableton/

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