Bouncing individual tracks

acileli · Post by **acileli** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 12:09 pm

Hello, I was wondering what techniques people are using to export their Live tracks to mix down in other applications. I'm using Live to build the rough outlines of songs because I really like working in session view for layering audio and midi elements together, and working with clips there.

But I can't get into the arrangements view, navigating around clips there I'm finding tedious after getting used to other hosts, track folders would be nice, as would a way to expand and contract multiple tracks at once rather than one at a time. I love the horizontal zoom tool at the top of the arrangement view, it would be great to have the same ability vertically along the track settings.

Which reminds me, does anyone else wish that you could rearrange the positions of the browser and the track settings to swap sides?

Lastly, why oh why can't we have access to the mixer in session view in the arrangement view as well?

Back to my original question, is there an easier way of bouncing several tracks individually than soloing and rendering each track one by one?

Kindly,

Arman

jeskola · Post by **jeskola** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 12:23 pm

basically just solo each channel one by one and record out the master.
f*cking time consuming so it is.

acileli · Post by **acileli** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 12:37 pm

That sucks, just having the ability to right mouse click on a track and bounce it, the same way you freeze tracks, would be nice.

Or even drag and drop to a folder in the browser would be cool.

It's funny how an application could have som many positives about it, but the one or 2 negatives you find could make working a pita.

sqook · Post by **sqook** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 12:41 pm

jeskola wrote:basically just solo each channel one by one and record out the master.
f*cking time consuming so it is.

Agreed. This is why I still think live should have the ability to program macros, which I seriously doubt will be introduced into live 6.

mezzmerized · Post by **mezzmerized** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 10:56 pm

It would be nice to be able to have more than one mix in the arrangement view too. Any way around that?

Former Pharaoh · Post by **Former Pharaoh** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:28 pm

These

Back to my original question, is there an easier way of bouncing several tracks individually than soloing and rendering each track one by one?

Well first off, bouncing and rendering are 2 different things. It looks as if your main concern is rendering so one way i can recommend is spending $20 on this and just load one up on each track. Save the files to a new folder where you can open them to whatever app you use for mixing.
The freebie is no good because it does not sync to host so just spend the 20 if you can.

timothyallan · Post by **timothyallan** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 12:04 am

Yeah, tapeit is cool, but what if your track you want exported uses the sends

There are programs out there that do macros, i know some guys whipped up one for Cubase, maybe I'll look into doing a Live one...

acileli · Post by **acileli** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 1:40 am

Former Pharaoh wrote:These

Back to my original question, is there an easier way of bouncing several tracks individually than soloing and rendering each track one by one?
Well first off, bouncing and rendering are 2 different things. It looks as if your main concern is rendering so one way i can recommend is spending $20 on this and just load one up on each track. Save the files to a new folder where you can open them to whatever app you use for mixing.
The freebie is no good because it does not sync to host so just spend the 20 if you can.

What exactly is the difference between bouncing and rendering? I thought the two terms were interchangeable. Whatever, what I want to do exactly is export warped audio tracks as well as convert midi tracks to audio without having to record while playing the song in real time (which is how Tapeit works I presume). I was hoping for a quicker way to do it within Live.

acileli · Post by **acileli** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 1:41 am

Thanks for the suggestion, though. Tapeit looks well worth the money.

Former Pharaoh · Post by **Former Pharaoh** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 2:58 am

Yeah, tapeit is cool, but what if your track you want exported uses the sends

Ah yes the infamous sends. I guess if you go direct to sends you can just route the sends to an audio track and do it that way but....it's not the best work around i know.

What exactly is the difference between bouncing and rendering? I thought the two terms were interchangeable.

I suppose they could be interchangeable. I basically refer to bouncing for internal routing and rendering for exporting.

what I want to do exactly is export warped audio tracks

This would be rendering

as well as convert midi tracks to audio

I guess this could be bouncing although i refer to bouncing when sending multiple tracks, be it audio to audio or MIDI to audio to one mono or one stereo track. But it's all just jargon. We understand each other so it's all good.

Thanks for the suggestion, though

No prob.

There have been FRs to improve the MIDI to audio conversion within Live. It definitely needs work as does certain routing implementations.
I like the right click render idea but it would also be cool to be able to drag an audio clip created in Live, drag it to the browser and save it as a wav file.

atmofunk · Post by **atmofunk** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 8:20 am

RE: TapeIt -- i'm intrigued but i'm curious about cpu spikes and glitches that occur during realtime playback. I can only assume that tapeit would capture these anomalies as well, and uh, being the fx whore that i am the results it brings might not be what i want

Is this right?

I too am annoyed at having to solo each track indiviudally so i'd like a better solution, for sure... (suppose i could render out the 'difficult' tracks and tape the rest, eh)?

acileli · Post by **acileli** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 12:27 pm

atmofunk wrote:RE: TapeIt -- i'm intrigued but i'm curious about cpu spikes and glitches that occur during realtime playback. I can only assume that tapeit would capture these anomalies as well, and uh, being the fx whore that i am the results it brings might not be what i want

Is this right?

I too am annoyed at having to solo each track indiviudally so i'd like a better solution, for sure... (suppose i could render out the 'difficult' tracks and tape the rest, eh)?

To improve performance for Tapeit purposes, you could freeze several or all of your tracks prior to beginning the Tapeit record process. Alternatively, you could crank up your ASIO latency.

distraub · Post by **distraub** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 2:28 pm

ok tapeit sounds interesting, but no sends... unless you did the track on its own, put tape it on the master, and soloed the track and sends... might as well render at that point. but tapeit might be great for creating remix kits.

acileli · Post by **acileli** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 6:49 pm

Not doing sends is not a big deal for me personally since the whole point of exporting tracks is to do mixing in another app anyway. I'll generally only use the sends in Live for a bit of ambience, and then later on go crazy with the fx in another host.

netchaiev · Post by **netchaiev** » Sun Mar 05, 2006 2:03 pm

I might be out of it, but can't you resample????
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