ok, so i put it all together. hours and hours of painstaking looping and tempo mapping and tweaking...
it sounds bad.
if the audio isn't dropping out, then the tempo markers are stuttery...
really got me down.
Ti Book G4
OS 9.2.2 or OS 10.2.6 same results
Live 2.0.3 (with 125megs of ram allocated)
LaCie FW HD (oxford 911 chipset)
motu 828 FW interface
high quality cables
i get no disk light indicator.
oughtta be fine, but it's not fine.
anything i am missing?
anything i can do?
anyone have these issues and solve them?
ugh...
dss
unhappy with the sound quality
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no idea.
I have occasionally been puzzled by a general "muddiness" in heavily manipulated, heavily layered songs I've made. I have never had audio drop out unless the CPU load was too high (too many effects at once, maybe).
Mastering is an enourmous topic with lots written about it, and I can't begin to summarize here. Check out an earlier post I made about this issue (to which I got many helpful replies):
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2830
Also, Robert from Monolake/Ableton posted this:
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2858
And then there's the basics: I assume you're rendering your track and listening to the rendered .wav file; make sure all your effects are set to first-class quality (on the reverb units, for example), and that in the preferences menus you have the clip quality set to the highest setting. Beware of converting to 24 bit and then back to 16 bit (ala mp3s) however - there are lots of reports of some weird clipping phenomenon. Still haven't figured that out. You may be better off keeping it in 16 bit.
If you've done all that, and you haven't applied eq to every single track in the recording, then you have your answer right there. Worked for me:)
Sorry if I have told you several things you already know....
Mastering is an enourmous topic with lots written about it, and I can't begin to summarize here. Check out an earlier post I made about this issue (to which I got many helpful replies):
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2830
Also, Robert from Monolake/Ableton posted this:
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2858
And then there's the basics: I assume you're rendering your track and listening to the rendered .wav file; make sure all your effects are set to first-class quality (on the reverb units, for example), and that in the preferences menus you have the clip quality set to the highest setting. Beware of converting to 24 bit and then back to 16 bit (ala mp3s) however - there are lots of reports of some weird clipping phenomenon. Still haven't figured that out. You may be better off keeping it in 16 bit.
If you've done all that, and you haven't applied eq to every single track in the recording, then you have your answer right there. Worked for me:)
Sorry if I have told you several things you already know....
no sweat, i understand quite a bit about mastering.
my troubles are not in the mastering area. the fidelity of the audio i am using is excellent, and burned to cd's and mixed together sound lovely in a club.
what's got me down is this same audio in live...
once it get's into live, the warp markers over time begin to become audible, and i begin to experience track drop outs upon scene change over time.
so i start with song one (any song, pick one) and everything's fine
but by the time i get to song 4 or 5 i have serious trouble. audio is dropping out, and even a single bpm adjustment causes audible stuttering of the audio file.
i have adjusted and re adjusted these files, and they are fine.
what seems to be the issue somehow is about the workload over time?
i was expecting that a maximum of 14 tracks (no clip longer than 4 bars) and a total of 64 scenes would be entirely reasonable with or without any plugins at all.
further, in using 2 track files, i expected that 14-16 clips would be a breeze for Live...
again, the Mac has more than enough ram, i get no "D" indicator, and yet the stuttering and dropouts over time are progressive. it just get's worse and worse...
i have to stop, save, quit and restart, and then it's just fine again until about song 4-5 and then it's back to being unusable.
the inconsistancy makes this software sadly totally useless to me.
unless i am missing something that i can do about my problems (so buying a new laptop is out of the question) then i am forced to retire Live and let go of the last 4 months of work...
shame.
dss
my troubles are not in the mastering area. the fidelity of the audio i am using is excellent, and burned to cd's and mixed together sound lovely in a club.
what's got me down is this same audio in live...
once it get's into live, the warp markers over time begin to become audible, and i begin to experience track drop outs upon scene change over time.
so i start with song one (any song, pick one) and everything's fine
but by the time i get to song 4 or 5 i have serious trouble. audio is dropping out, and even a single bpm adjustment causes audible stuttering of the audio file.
i have adjusted and re adjusted these files, and they are fine.
what seems to be the issue somehow is about the workload over time?
i was expecting that a maximum of 14 tracks (no clip longer than 4 bars) and a total of 64 scenes would be entirely reasonable with or without any plugins at all.
further, in using 2 track files, i expected that 14-16 clips would be a breeze for Live...
again, the Mac has more than enough ram, i get no "D" indicator, and yet the stuttering and dropouts over time are progressive. it just get's worse and worse...
i have to stop, save, quit and restart, and then it's just fine again until about song 4-5 and then it's back to being unusable.
the inconsistancy makes this software sadly totally useless to me.
unless i am missing something that i can do about my problems (so buying a new laptop is out of the question) then i am forced to retire Live and let go of the last 4 months of work...
shame.
dss
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not so fast
You're right, the situations you mention are a breeze for Live... my copy at least.
This is a memory leak issue, though you say you have this problem even without any vsts (which would my first guess as the source of the leak, since many are shoddy and I've never had this problem with Live).
Assuming you're using a registered version of Live 2.0.3 (the latest)...
...do a fresh install of the software, perhaps even going so far as to do a fresh install of your OS. Yeah, I know that solution didn't take a lot of imagination. But that's what I would do if I were you - because this is not a reproducible problem with Live, there may be some other element of your OS which is draining memory slowly over time.
Make sure you are running msconfig to get rid of unnecessary programs. This will help you determine whether a reinstall might be necessary. And of course www.musicxp.com is a great resource.
On another note, post a link to some of your music (even if it's just clips). I'm interested to hear it.
This is a memory leak issue, though you say you have this problem even without any vsts (which would my first guess as the source of the leak, since many are shoddy and I've never had this problem with Live).
Assuming you're using a registered version of Live 2.0.3 (the latest)...
...do a fresh install of the software, perhaps even going so far as to do a fresh install of your OS. Yeah, I know that solution didn't take a lot of imagination. But that's what I would do if I were you - because this is not a reproducible problem with Live, there may be some other element of your OS which is draining memory slowly over time.
Make sure you are running msconfig to get rid of unnecessary programs. This will help you determine whether a reinstall might be necessary. And of course www.musicxp.com is a great resource.
On another note, post a link to some of your music (even if it's just clips). I'm interested to hear it.
yeah, i sent word to ableton's tech support. hopefully they will be able to provide a solution.
i am baffled too.
links to my music?
check http://www.imperialdub.com
or your local record store.
dss
i am baffled too.
links to my music?
check http://www.imperialdub.com
or your local record store.
dss
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ubo
Run MSCONFIG ???
You said, "run msconfig"
I have a mac iBook running Abelton Live.
Wondering if this is something I'm missing.
Don't know what running it means.
thanks
Dwight.
I have a mac iBook running Abelton Live.
Wondering if this is something I'm missing.
Don't know what running it means.
thanks
Dwight.