Warping live drums = GRR.

[missjade]

does anyone else find this a total BITCH to do?

i'm having serious issues with this. any advice on how to do this and not go insane?

thanks

[Schizophonix]

do what?

[missjade]

do what?

to warp stuff with organic drums (ie rock, downtempo) where there are lots of imperfections in the tempo..

[DeadlyKungFu]

- chop it up into sections.
- make your drummer play to a click track
- fire the drummer
- practice, practice, practice with warp, it's easy once you've done a few dozen tunes but it is a unique thing.


Next time you play with your drummer, just show up with a drum machine. Don't say anything, just set it down next to him and smile at the drum machine.

[hambone1]

I'm a drummer, so not too bright...

I've warped 700+ tracks, and many of them aren't mind-numbing constant-tempo 4/4. I've had great success with auto-warping, especially after I figured out that giving a track 3-4 tracks of silence at the beginning helps the auto-warping to work a lot better.

It really is a matter of practice. Assigning warp controls to a MIDI controller and memorizing the controls until they're second nature makes warping quick for me.

On tough tracks, I just record myself tapping along to the song, warp the resulting track, and copy those warped settings to the original track.

[djsynchro]

Who wants real drums anyway?

[peeddrroo]

many of them aren't mind-numbing constant-tempo 4/4.

i love the way you put things kevin.
especially since warping tracks will turn mind-broadening fluctuating-tempo tunes into stupid 4/4 tracks.



anyway, to get back on topic: it can be long to warp fluctuating tempo tracks, but with a little bit of practice, it becomes quite quick to do it.
work on small sections of your tunes: set a loop (inside the clip) to 2 to 4 bars, and put a warp marker at the end of the loop, then adjust beats inside the loop. then move the loop to the next section.
the process is roughly to go from broad to narrow: if you manage to warp-fit a long section (maybe over 32 or 64 bars), then it's easier to adjust smaller parts of it later.

[missjade]

i will use this advice & try to break it up into sections. damn drummers putting a cramp in my style

[hambone1]

i love the way you put things kevin.
especially since warping tracks will turn mind-broadening fluctuating-tempo tunes into stupid 4/4 tracks.

[peeddrroo]

i love the way you put things kevin.
especially since warping tracks will turn mind-broadening fluctuating-tempo tunes into stupid 4/4 tracks.

hehe
ok, fair enough....

still, not all constant-tempo 4/4 music is mind-numbing. this kind of statement really pisses me off.... it reminds me of "rock'n'roll is the devil"....

[hambone1]

You're right... not all 4/4 constant-tempo music is mind-numbing. I just can't take hours of it (especially at 8 in the morning in Berlin!) without the occasional tempo and/or time signature change.

Variety is the spice of life!

[jbodango]

You're right... not all 4/4 constant-tempo music is mind-numbing. I just can't take hours of it (especially at 8 in the morning in Berlin!) without the occasional tempo and/or time signature change.

Let's hear it for "pizza math rock"

[mike holiday]

warping live drums is SICK

so much fun
you can do crazy time streaching

my rhythm sucks ass
and i record me and my djembe all the time.


i will suggest making short loops via consolidate

[supster]

Assigning warp controls to a MIDI controller and memorizing the controls until they're second nature makes warping quick for me.

how do you mean

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[hambone1]

midiStroke.

Assign MIDI keys/buttons/whatever to Live's keystroke shortcuts. To me, it's much more intuitive to use my MIDI controllers than the secretary keyboard, and one MIDI control can incorporate as many keystrokes and modifiers as you want.