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soundfishrecording · Post by **soundfishrecording** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:56 pm

Does anyone use Live 5 for recording bands and no DJ music? Or does everyone that has Live 5 use it for recording electric music?

j0shu@ · Post by **j0shu@** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 12:53 am

you could totally use it for both.

i do some recording and some sequencing, but not with a full band due to my setup.

oh, and i dont have a full band to record.

DeadlyKungFu · Post by **DeadlyKungFu** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 1:02 am

I've never recorded a full band but I've gotten together with friends and recorded everything from MIDI to turntables, to guitar, bass, vocals, television...

The main thing is to do it to a click track, something to keep it all in time, something that you can use as a reference later to help find the beat. In my experience recordings without a click track are nearly impossible to work with later.

studio615 · Post by **studio615** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:06 am

I use it as my main DAW. It is totally fantastic.

Winterpark · Post by **Winterpark** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:47 am

soundfishrecording wrote:Does anyone use Live 5 for recording bands and no DJ music? Or does everyone that has Live 5 use it for recording electric music?

yes.... i've recorded my own band and friends bands using live.

... it's great as a live band DAW ...

... and for making electronic music ...

.... and for playing it all live at shows ....

DeadlyKungFu · Post by **DeadlyKungFu** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:58 am

am wrote:
soundfishrecording wrote:Does anyone use Live 5 for recording bands and no DJ music? Or does everyone that has Live 5 use it for recording electric music?
yes.... i've recorded my own band and friends bands using live.

... it's great as a live band DAW ...

... and for making electronic music ...

.... and for playing it all live at shows ....

How do you handle the click track?

Winterpark · Post by **Winterpark** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 4:27 am

live i use an i-book with motu traveller.

i run keys, guitar and bass into the traveller... essentially using live as an fx box... (sending any bass parts out of the motu to the on stage bass amp, and guitar out to a guitar amp.)

and also run 3-4 tracks of pre-programmed rhythmic glitchy stuff/extra keys parts/pads/bass.

the drummer gets a mix of all live instruments with the pre-programmed tracks and click sent to his in-ears....he has had loads of experience playing live to clicks, so it all works out quite easily.

Vercengetorex · Post by **Vercengetorex** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 5:22 am

Handling the click track really comes down to an appropriate monitoring situation. This is ideally accomplished via in-ear monitors with a click being injected into the monitor mix from a secondary output from the Live performance computer. In many situations it may only be necessary (or even desireable) to only send the drummer (and possibly bassist) the click. If in-ears are not an option, you could probably just feed the drummer a very loud click in headphones in addition to a traditional monitoring setup.

Oh...
I just realized I spoke solely of live situations in a thread titled "RECORDING"!
The same really applies in the studio, whether your taking a "wall of sound" approach to your multitracking, or a track by track basis, a good headphone mix is really the best way to get the click to the artist. In many cases, simply using a stereo pair of analog outputs from your audio interface into a headphone amp will give you all the control you need (you can still solo / mute tracks in control room without interrupting the recording artist, you dont have to monitor the click). If you start dealing with larger groups, setup an appropriate monitor mixer or headphone matrix and simply inject the click into the appropriate musicians monitor mix.

Always keep in mind, not everyone can play to a straight click. Often times a simple, temporary drum loop will often help.

Pitch Black · Post by **Pitch Black** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 6:15 am

Hey, Verc! Long time no post - you gettin' around...

Vercengetorex wrote:Always keep in mind, not everyone can play to a straight click. Often times a simple, temporary drum loop will often help.

Yeah, often I find it best to give the drummer something completely different to the part he has to play. It all gets flammy and confusing otherwise. I usually program a big sub on the 1, a quiet shaker for the 8ths or 16ths and then tambo hits / congas on the OFF beats, interpolating around what the drummer is going to play.

my 2c

MrYellow · Post by **MrYellow** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 6:25 am

How do you handle the click track?

Turn it off.... when recording bands and ignore the tempo in live and leave
everything unwarped.

-Ben

Jackal and Hyde · Post by **Jackal and Hyde** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 6:28 am

soundfishrecording wrote:Does anyone use Live 5 for recording bands and no DJ music? Or does everyone that has Live 5 use it for recording electric music?

If your trying to make a living with your "Sound Fish Recording Studios" and are treating it like a buisness recording "Live Bands" and are expecting to mix down these bands using domestic Eq/comps, advanced patch points, advanced bussing, advanced routing, instant response, client yelling in the background under pressure, multiple hidden layer/takes per track for quick deep advanced editing on the $ clock $ etc etc, your barking up the wrong tree with Ableton big time. (Maybe Ableton 10 in 2009) As you would be in buying 80% of the slap ass Daws out there to run a "studio" that only stays in buisness by having happy clients that see a lot getting done in a short amount of time and keep coming back to a good sound provided by you. (Of course, this is assuming that your a good engineer)

If your a PC guy and are unable to afford PT TDM, the best sounding DAW available is SAWstudio. The only other two DAW's that can compete with it are arguably Pyramix and Samplitude 8. If your a MAC guy trying to run a legit 4 -8 hour block studio and cannot afford PT TDM your fucked. No one is going to pay you $40 - $60 an hour to slap around with Logic/DP unless you have a BUTT load of outboard gear.

Good luck, hope your studio does well. Investigate. . .

2p

PS - And yes, you wont see SAW, Samplitude 8 or Pyramix in any slap ass Keyboard/electronic musician Mag... Because thier fckn beyond PRO and don't need to advertise. If you want to have a legit studio and record "Live Bands" that keep coming back, you've got to step up. I hope you do well and wish you all the best.

buddhabelly · Post by **buddhabelly** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 9:12 pm

Jackal and Hyde wrote:
soundfishrecording wrote:If your a MAC guy trying to run a legit 4 -8 hour block studio and cannot afford PT TDM your fucked. No one is going to pay you $40 - $60 an hour to slap around with Logic/DP unless you have a BUTT load of outboard gear.

Good luck, hope your studio does well. Investigate. . .

What a load of bullshit. I wouldn't use Live, but do use DP with a Sony desk and MOTU interfaces with minimal outboard gear and some waves shit, and know plenty of others that do too.

Honestly, nobody cares as long as they get the end product they want. The biggest battle is showing PT isn't the be-all end-all platform.

RobbQuik · Post by **RobbQuik** » Sun Jul 23, 2006 5:41 pm

Does anyone know of any interfaces I can get with 8 simultaneous inputs to record drums, guitars, etc at the same time?

Cheers

sqook · Post by **sqook** » Sun Jul 23, 2006 5:49 pm

RobbQuik wrote:Does anyone know of any interfaces I can get with 8 simultaneous inputs to record drums, guitars, etc at the same time?

Cheers

presonus firepod

Rahlo · Post by **Rahlo** » Sun Jul 23, 2006 6:11 pm

RobbQuik wrote:Does anyone know of any interfaces I can get with 8 simultaneous inputs to record drums, guitars, etc at the same time?

Cheers

Depends on the amount you wanna spend. For the money, the Motu traveler, ultra lite, or 828 mk2 are very solid choices.[/u]

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