assign same cc# on different tracks?

now_continue · Post by **now_continue** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 7:32 am

Hi, is it possible to assign the same cc# (belongning to a knob on my bcr2000) to different tracks, and then control the one that is in the armed track?

quandry · Post by **quandry** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 4:26 pm

not currently that I know of, Live only accepts one mapped knob per midi cc, if you try to map it to multiple ones, you get the override pop up...

now_continue · Post by **now_continue** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 11:11 pm

oh no this is such a bad news. I have a whole effect strip mapped to my bcr, and it would be a real treat to set it up individually on each track. Does anyone know if one can achieve this with third party plugins? Or any chance ableton might implement this in an upcoming version?

quandry · Post by **quandry** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 11:14 pm

now_continue wrote:oh no this is such a bad news. I have a whole effect strip mapped to my bcr, and it would be a real treat to set it up individually on each track. Does anyone know if one can achieve this with third party plugins? Or any chance ableton might implement this in an upcoming version?

don't understand what you are saying/trying to do. could you elaborate?

Clearscreen · Post by **Clearscreen** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 12:19 am

what you could do is set up 16 different presets next to each other on your bcr with each one having the same setup but on the next midi channel. ie preset 1 is on channel 1, preset 2 is channel 2 etc... then map preset 1 to track one of your ableton set, preset 2 to track 2 etc...
not the best solution maybe, but it'll give you 16 tracks worth of assignments and given how quick the bcr changes presets it might do the trick for you.

if you wanted to get really into it you could set up a situation where you assigned each of the 16 tracks (ie 1 per channel) to be accessible by a computer keystroke/midi keypress and use the remote feedback to have the bcr change with you. i'm not exactly sure how you'd do this mind you, but it's doable i'd say using midiox, plogue or maybe bomes midi translator. all you need is a prgram that sends the correct preset change to the bcr at the same time as it tells live to go to a particular track when you press a particular key....

good luck with it.

Clearscreen · Post by **Clearscreen** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 12:26 am

just had another thought in a similar vein. you could use the one bcr preset but hae one of the knobs assigned in a third party program to change the channel, a little simpler in some ways. i built a vst midi channel changer in synthmaker a while back but couldn't get it to work entirely right, luckily this the ndcMidi plugs here http://www.niallmoody.com/ndcplugs/ have a vst that can do it. you could potentially host it inside live and use midiyoke to route the controls back into live... might be a little tricky though...

now_continue · Post by **now_continue** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 7:39 am

Clearscreen wrote:just had another thought in a similar vein. you could use the one bcr preset but hae one of the knobs assigned in a third party program to change the channel, a little simpler in some ways.

do you mean that the knob would change the channel in live? Because this wouldnt do since i still can only map one cc# per parameter in live. I would have to manually program the cc numbers for each track and as you said, have one bcr preset corresponding to each channel. And i think setting up a routing scheme through bomes would take millenia.

It would be really nice to use the sixteen buttons to choose the channel, and then the knobs to control the selected channel. I think this would be a very clean and easy method to do realtime tweeks.

Clearscreen · Post by **Clearscreen** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 12:53 am

do you mean that the knob would change the channel in live? Because this wouldnt do since i still can only map one cc# per parameter in live.

you would need to set up the midi routing so the knob changes the midi channel before the remote info goes into live.

if you use the ndc plugs midi channeliser plugin you probably could use the sixteen buttons up the top as channel/track selectors inside live. i haven't had access to my bcr for a while (it's in storage at the moment) so i can't remember for sure, but if you can set the buttons to output to all channels at once (or omni mode maybe?) you might be able to do all the routing inside live...

you'll need to use a midi track as an input for all the bcr routing and then send it's output via midiyoke (or similar) back to live as a remote input. the use channeliser as an effect on that channel so it changes the output channel as it gets sent back to live. you need to assign the buttons before they get routed out of live, and all of the knobs after they get routed back into live (i hope that makes sense...

). each button needs to be set to the same cc# with each button sending a different value that corresponds to a different channel output for channeliser.

whether you do it in live or using a 3rd party program it'll take a bit of planning and will prolly do yer head in! odds are you can achieve the end result, but it will eat away at your sanity till then... believe me, i've tried some of these sorts of things and whilst doable, it'll cost you a big headache in the meantime

if only the abes would make the input assignments more flexible!! DOH!!
see if you can find a feature request post for this (or make a new one) and bring it back to the top. they do listen, so maybe in live6, meanwhile you have a fair bit of mucking about to make it happen i guess...

mikemc · Post by **mikemc** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 3:38 am

you can do this with plogue bidule and CC remapper.

on winxp, you can also do this with Rejoice, mapping USB/HID from a button on joystick to multiple CCs, it is easy but a little tedious, you have set one CC and then 'teach' one live control at a time

SPY · Post by **SPY** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:45 am

quandry wrote:not currently that I know of, Live only accepts one mapped knob per midi cc, if you try to map it to multiple ones, you get the override pop up...

maybe you can help me with my problem? My problem is what this guy wants! When i try to map knob #1 to channel #1's volume of Live it also automatically maps every other Channel's volume to knob #1. When i try to map knob #2 to Channel #2's volume i get the override pop up! This is really frustrating! I've searched in the manual and i can't find a solution. Can you help?

thank you!

Clearscreen · Post by **Clearscreen** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:08 am

sounds like you need to check what knob #2 is actually sending to live. seems like knob #2 is probably sending the same CC# as knob #1 leading to the conflict your getting when you try and assign knob number 2...

SPY · Post by **SPY** » Sat Jul 29, 2006 6:49 am

yes that was the problem. thankfully one of the Abletons helped me to sort out this problem! thanks though!