Live for Linux...will it ever happen?

dirtybomb · Post by **dirtybomb** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:50 pm

After messing with Windows Vista... I have absolutely NO plans on upgrading to it. It looks ridiculous, it looks stupid & acts stupid. MS have totally dropped the ball on this one... another "dumbed down" OS with bloated "family" features. I seriously doubt it's security as well... it just gives you more warnings which you start ignoring after a while.

If there was Live for Linux, I prolly wouldn't use Windows ever again.

This video puts Macro$hit to shame:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... pr=goog-sl

XGL even runs on my 16mb onboard Thinkpad display! -- Slowly... but it works.

Quoted from above link:

"Novell Linux has just released this amazing technology demonstration video showing off some of the new features of their impressive operating system. While Windows Vista takes about 500MB to boot this Linux technology can run on almost any hardware. If you have ever seen Windows Vista then you will know it's extremely slow and buggy. It has been in development for nearly 5 years. This Linux technology has only been in development for about 5 months and you will notice that it's running very well. The system used was an old system with only 256MB's of ram. Windows Vista won't even boot on that. This shows that yes you can have awesome eyecandy without having to have 4 graphics cards and a Quantum computer. Linux has yet again reinvented the desktop. Linus has no reboots, not even in installation, Linux has ADM technology which means no need to install drivers anymore unless you want, Linux has SHC technology which means that if a program was to lock up it would automatically fix the program while it's running and carry on. Linux also has no spyware and virus's. Oh and it's easier to install then any Windows. So why do people still use Windows? Beats me!"

Pandamonium · Post by **Pandamonium** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:23 am

As an avid Linux user I don't see it happening anytime soon, not enough linux drivers for soundcards... yet (although there are Linux drivers for many pro cards including RME). All my computers EXCEPT studio machine have been changed to linux with far superior performance and security than Windows, if ableton could run on Linux (maybe a custom linux distro compiled with real time kernal designed just for ableton?) I would be free of the windoze cancer.

Like I said, I don't see it happening anytime soom, but it's good to dream

muscleandhate · Post by **muscleandhate** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:39 am

I like the way the desktop behaves like a 'cube'. Perhaps when the power is there (probably not far away), you could be switching between operating systems in that method. Also would be cool to switch between ReWire applications.

jb61264 · Post by **jb61264** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 1:09 am

Nothing against Linux or anybody using it, but I hope they don't because it would mean they are taking development time away from all the other features that Live users are asking for...very selfish of me I know

abletoff · Post by **abletoff** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 2:01 am

sure, but a port of Live from Osx shouldn't be too hard, it's unix after all. Then, Vsts should follow asap..
btw I'm really enjoying Ubuntu lately

C.S. · Post by **C.S.** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 2:07 am

XT2 will be out shortly (for both Linux and win), XT is already a very powerful app.

http://www.energy-xt.com/

dirtybomb · Post by **dirtybomb** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 3:09 am

C.S. wrote:XT2 will be out shortly (for both Linux and win), XT is already a very powerful app.

http://www.energy-xt.com/

yup... i'm looking forward to this one

i make most of my rough tracks in FastTracker anyway in DOS or Linux/DOSbox... but export my tracks into Live for fun/tweaking/mastering/live etc.

Any Linux users remember this?

itook4lefts · Post by **itook4lefts** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 9:16 am

arite. proper noob stuff, and a bit OT, sorry.

i've got an old (i mean proper old) laptop that i was thinking about putting linux on to check it out, see what it's like. anyone got any links to resources/downloads/cool stuff to get started?

thanks.

Pandamonium · Post by **Pandamonium** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 2:40 pm

itook4lefts wrote:arite. proper noob stuff, and a bit OT, sorry.

i've got an old (i mean proper old) laptop that i was thinking about putting Linux on to check it out, see what it's like. anyone got any links to resources/downloads/cool stuff to get started?

thanks.

http://www.ubuntu.com/ - Currently the most popular Linux distro and very easy to get help for

Some linux apps to look out for:- Ardour - kind of like Pro Tools, jI believe they are getting some R&D from SSL so it is certainly being taken seriously.

http://www.hydrogen-music.org/ - Hydrogen - Very nice drum machine

And as mentioned before in this thread, Energy XT 2 for Linux which looks set to be the "Ableton for Linux" it's a pity Ableton aren't the "Ableton for Linux"

joesapo · Post by **joesapo** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 3:41 pm

I wonder if anybody has ever tried running Live under Wine in Linux?

That is about the only way I could conceive that happening.

http://www.winehq.com/

itook4lefts · Post by **itook4lefts** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:53 pm

thanks mate

voidseeker · Post by **voidseeker** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 5:51 pm

you can run all the windows apps under vmware in linux.
somebody also wrote drivers for hooking audio from vmware into jack.
i've gone back and forth, and frankly, the hardware hassles in linux are a nightmare, the whole reverse engineering thing is a waste of time, IMHO, to end up with a half-functioning laptop.
if you're into csound, common music etc. linux is the way to go.
if you're into the commercial stuff, you'll be disappointed.
i hate to say it as much as i dislike m$, the audio apps in windows are like driving a ferrari, while the linux apps are like a volkswagon, and i mean the old jerry-rigged one...

tylenol · Post by **tylenol** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 9:02 pm

abletoff wrote:sure, but a port of Live from Osx shouldn't be too hard, it's unix after all. Then, Vsts should follow asap..
btw I'm really enjoying Ubuntu lately

But the parts that would be the hardest are parts where I bet OS X differs substantially from linux. What I have in mind are pseudo-realtime behavior, multithreading/multiprocessor support, and (low-latency) interaction with audio/midi devices -- really any interaction with lower level parts of the OS. Also, can you imagine what a nightmare it would be to support live on linux? Presumably to make this even remotely possible they'd have to pick only one distro to support, and I bet it wouldn't be ubuntu (which is also what I use these days when I use linux).

I agree that it would be fantastic to have live on linux, but I can't imagine it happening any time soon, and if it did, they'd be so busy with it that we'd never see any of those things in the feature request forum that sound really nice (e.g. ghost clips, grouping tracks, multi-monitor support, a sidechain compressor).

itook4lefts: also, audacity is available for linux. Some other audio things to try might be pd and csound, if you can ride the learning curve, and rosegarden. I second ubuntu as the distribution to start out with these days.

noisetonepause · Post by **noisetonepause** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:41 pm

Fuck Linux. Nick a BSD or Haiku and port Live to that, customise it from the ground up for the purpose of Live...

Grah. Linux just makes me mad these days. It's an utter mess compared to BSDs with the million and six distros, there isn't a distro I like (except for the ones who try to be BSDs) and I can never get it bloody work. OpenBSD has been fire and forget for me... unzip the ports tree, pkg_add a few packages, compile the rest... and yer donne. No GDM depending on the ubuntu-sounds package here... Just clean, sensible and transparent. True Unix. Yay.

(No low-latency audio either, but then when I want that I go somewhere else..)

-Paws

bragi0 · Post by **bragi0** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 3:45 am

Live 6 under Wine is apparently possible. There's wine patches to support ASIO now too. FreeBoB is coming along nicely to provide firewire audio.

It is a bit of a pain to get running. I certainly wouldn't be gigging with it... I'd just have too many concerns about stability of it in that environment until I'd had a few months of solid testing.