Help With Ring Mod for Drums

kidrobot · Post by **kidrobot** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:03 am

Can someone recommend a vst or method in Ableton to get a nice ring mod sound on your drums similar to the ring mod on the MPC. Sort of like the sound in Erosion. On windows XP. Thanks.

andrewbrewer · Post by **andrewbrewer** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:23 am

if you load your drum sound in sampler, use the modulation section--there you can enable "amplitude modulation" which will probably sound similar to ring -mod (there is a technical difference but it escapes me...)

dr.wackler · Post by **dr.wackler** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 8:30 am

For ringmod below 90 Hz, use the AutoPan effect. (Same as with andrewbrewer's suggestion: It's AM, but RM basically is high fequency AM.)

jordanvision · Post by **jordanvision** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 9:11 am

actually the difference between ring mod and and amp mod has to do with where in the signal an oscillator is applying its modulation. Right now, I'm almost finished creating a RM VST effect in max/msp that will work in live. It has dry/wet controls for the RM, built in filters, and metronome based randomizers. When I finish it, i'll post a link. It's basically done. I just have to finish turning it into a vst.

Cryptic UK · Post by **Cryptic UK** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 10:43 am

jordanvision wrote:actually the difference between ring mod and and amp mod has to do with where in the signal an oscillator is applying its modulation. Right now, I'm almost finished creating a RM VST effect in max/msp that will work in live. It has dry/wet controls for the RM, built in filters, and metronome based randomizers. When I finish it, i'll post a link. It's basically done. I just have to finish turning it into a vst.

This sounds good do post a link

thanks

kidrobot · Post by **kidrobot** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 10:48 am

Yes I eagerly await this as well.

John Sweet · Post by **John Sweet** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 2:26 pm

Erosion in Sine Mode gives you a baby ring mod sound.

I think it's one of theose effects where hardware (like the Moogerfooger) is still the best.

-EDIT- you already mentioned the erosion, sorry.

leisuremuffin · Post by **leisuremuffin** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 3:15 pm

i thought the difference between AM and ring mod was that ring mod flipped the phase of the modulator every other cycle.

uhhm or something like that. Like AM is just the sum of the two waves but ring mod is the sum and difference.

shit it's been a long time since i thought about it. maybe it's time to google....

.lm.

dr.wackler · Post by **dr.wackler** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 4:02 pm

leisuremuffin wrote:i thought the difference between AM and ring mod was that ring mod flipped the phase of the modulator every other cycle.

uhhm or something like that. Like AM is just the sum of the two waves but ring mod is the sum and difference.

shit it's been a long time since i thought about it. maybe it's time to google....

AM is the two sidebands and the carrier signal, while RM is only the two sidebands (AFAIK).

leisuremuffin · Post by **leisuremuffin** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 4:09 pm

That sorta sounds right, Dr.
But i'm still not 100%.

maaaan, this is embarrasing.

i couldn't google anything either.

I'll check my lecture notes from my basic synthesis class when i get home.

.lm.

stutter · Post by **stutter** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 5:41 pm

here ya go, no need to continue your ring mod embarrassment (weirdo)

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/mar00/a ... ecrets.htm

that link should point to part 11, in case it for some reason doesn't

leisuremuffin · Post by **leisuremuffin** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 9:05 pm

Ahh. thanks! (normy)

.lm.[/u]

Paul Nolan · Post by **Paul Nolan** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 11:33 pm

ring modulation is the processing the sum and difference tones of 2 input signals, whilst the input signals themselves are supressed.

amp modulation is when you use the frequency of one oscillator to change the amplitude of another oscillator over time...so i believe!!