Liquid Mix 2.0 is out, still crashes Live on launch

[mission1]

If a project uses Liquid Mix, 9 out of 10 times when you load it Live will crash. Once you relaunch Live it will work. I don't know who's fault it is, but I wish it didn't do that. I really like the Liquid Mix and am stuck with it since I spent all my money on it. I think it might be Live's fault. Here is a crash log:

Date/Time: 2007-06-23 14:28:04.882 -0700
OS Version: 10.4.10 (Build 8R218)
Report Version: 4

Command: Live
Path: /Application Suites/Audio/Live/Live.app/Contents/MacOS/Live
Parent: WindowServer [97]

Version: 6.0.7 (6.0.7)

PID: 284
Thread: 3

Exception: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
Codes: KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS (0x0001) at 0x64049db0

Thread 0:
0 com.ableton.live 0x00cc569c 0x499000 + 8570524
1 com.ableton.live 0x00ca1628 0x499000 + 8422952
2 com.ableton.live 0x00ca0c14 0x499000 + 8420372
3 com.ableton.live 0x00cb5e7c 0x499000 + 8507004
4 com.ableton.live 0x00cb7184 0x499000 + 8511876
5 com.ableton.live 0x00cb7f28 0x499000 + 8515368
6 com.ableton.live 0x01061e3c 0x499000 + 12357180
7 com.ableton.live 0x01061940 0x499000 + 12355904
8 com.ableton.live 0x01061a68 0x499000 + 12356200
9 com.ableton.live 0x0106c2ac 0x499000 + 12399276
10 com.apple.AE 0x914fd960 aeDispatchAppleEvent(AEDesc const*, AEDesc*, unsigned long, unsigned char*) + 208
11 com.apple.AE 0x914fd7fc dispatchEventAndSendReply(AEDesc const*, AEDesc*) + 44
12 com.apple.AE 0x914fd654 aeProcessAppleEvent + 284
13 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x9329d2e0 AEProcessAppleEvent + 60
14 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x932e0f88 ProcessHighLevelEvent + 140
15 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x932e0ee0 StandardApplicationEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, OpaqueEventRef*, void*) + 328
16 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x93299934 DispatchEventToHandlers(EventTargetRec*, OpaqueEventRef*, HandlerCallRec*) + 692
17 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x9329908c SendEventToEventTargetInternal(OpaqueEventRef*, OpaqueEventTargetRef*, HandlerCallRec*) + 372
18 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x93298f08 SendEventToEventTargetWithOptions + 40
19 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x932a02cc ToolboxEventDispatcherHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, OpaqueEventRef*, void*) + 704
20 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x93299b84 DispatchEventToHandlers(EventTargetRec*, OpaqueEventRef*, HandlerCallRec*) + 1284
21 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x9329908c SendEventToEventTargetInternal(OpaqueEventRef*, OpaqueEventTargetRef*, HandlerCallRec*) + 372
22 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x9329fe90 SendEventToEventTarget + 40
23 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x932e0c04 ToolboxEventDispatcher + 92
24 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x932e0b90 HLTBEventDispatcher + 16
25 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x932df148 RunApplicationEventLoop + 148
26 com.ableton.live 0x0106dc6c 0x499000 + 12405868
27 com.ableton.live 0x004991c8 0x499000 + 456
28 dyld 0x8fe01048 _dyld_start + 60

Thread 1:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9000b348 mach_msg_trap + 8
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9000b29c mach_msg + 60
2 com.unsanity.ape 0xc0001bf4 __ape_agent + 296
3 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9002bd08 _pthread_body + 96

Thread 2:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9000b348 mach_msg_trap + 8
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9000b29c mach_msg + 60
2 ...lagutin.audio_hijack.server 0x01763190 ah_serv_loop + 80
3 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9002bd08 _pthread_body + 96

Thread 3 Crashed:
0 com.ableton.live 0x011142f4 0x499000 + 13087476
1 com.ableton.live 0x011142c4 0x499000 + 13087428
2 com.ableton.live 0x00d1e250 0x499000 + 8933968
3 com.ableton.live 0x00d1e554 0x499000 + 8934740
4 com.ableton.live 0x00d08c9c 0x499000 + 8846492
5 com.apple.audio.midi.CoreMIDI 0x972f4098 LocalMIDIReceiverList::HandleMIDIIn(void*, void*, MIDIPacketList*) + 188
6 com.apple.audio.midi.CoreMIDI 0x972becf4 MIDIInPortThread::Run() + 180
7 com.apple.audio.midi.CoreMIDI 0x972c2f44 XThread::RunHelper(void*) + 28
8 com.apple.audio.midi.CoreMIDI 0x972cc87c CAPThread::Entry(CAPThread*) + 96
9 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9002bd08 _pthread_body + 96

Thread 4:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9002c4b8 semaphore_wait_trap + 8
1 com.ableton.live 0x008a2610 0x499000 + 4232720
2 com.ableton.live 0x006cccf4 0x499000 + 2309364
3 com.ableton.live 0x0113d924 0x499000 + 13256996
4 com.ableton.live 0x008a6940 0x499000 + 4249920
5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9002bd08 _pthread_body + 96

Thread 5:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9002c4b8 semaphore_wait_trap + 8
1 com.ableton.live 0x008a2610 0x499000 + 4232720
2 com.ableton.live 0x006cccf4 0x499000 + 2309364
3 com.ableton.live 0x0113d924 0x499000 + 13256996
4 com.ableton.live 0x008a6940 0x499000 + 4249920
5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9002bd08 _pthread_body + 96

Thread 6:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9002c4b8 semaphore_wait_trap + 8
1 com.ableton.live 0x008a2610 0x499000 + 4232720
2 com.ableton.live 0x006cccf4 0x499000 + 2309364
3 com.ableton.live 0x0113d924 0x499000 + 13256996
4 com.ableton.live 0x008a6940 0x499000 + 4249920
5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9002bd08 _pthread_body + 96

Thread 7:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9002c4b8 semaphore_wait_trap + 8
1 com.ableton.live 0x008a2610 0x499000 + 4232720
2 com.ableton.live 0x00841874 0x499000 + 3836020
3 com.ableton.live 0x0113d924 0x499000 + 13256996
4 com.ableton.live 0x008a6940 0x499000 + 4249920
5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9002bd08 _pthread_body + 96

Thread 8:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9000b348 mach_msg_trap + 8
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9000b29c mach_msg + 60
2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x907ddba8 __CFRunLoopRun + 832
3 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x907dd4ac CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 268
4 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x907ec90c CFRunLoopRun + 52
5 com.apple.DVCPROHDMuxer 0x1a1221ac AVS::DestroyAVCDeviceController(AVS::AVCDeviceController*) + 404
6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9002bd08 _pthread_body + 96

Thread 9:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9000b348 mach_msg_trap + 8
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9000b29c mach_msg + 60
2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x907ddba8 __CFRunLoopRun + 832
3 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x907dd4ac CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 268
4 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x9145663c HALRunLoop::OwnThread(void*) + 264
5 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x914563dc CAPThread::Entry(CAPThread*) + 96
6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9002bd08 _pthread_body + 96

Thread 10:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x900411f8 mach_wait_until + 8
1 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x90bfae28 MPDelayUntil + 60
2 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x90bfac70 Delay + 124
3 ...opellerheads.rewire.library 0x1a40d4b0 RWPUnregisterDeviceImp + 3096
4 ...opellerheads.rewire.library 0x1a445a08 RWPUnregisterDeviceImp + 233840
5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9002bd08 _pthread_body + 96

Thread 11:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9002c4b8 semaphore_wait_trap + 8
1 ...Rig 2.MusicDevice.component 0x20b12ea8 NI::RIG::AUDIO::SuspendResumeThread::run() + 40
2 ...Rig 2.MusicDevice.component 0x20d21fa8 NI::GP::Thread::execute(void*) + 72
3 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9002bd08 _pthread_body + 96

Thread 12:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9002c4b8 semaphore_wait_trap + 8
1 ...Rig 2.MusicDevice.component 0x2107df18 NI::MEDIA::Asyncer<NI::PM::UndoBuffer>::run() + 376
2 ...Rig 2.MusicDevice.component 0x20d21fa8 NI::GP::Thread::execute(void*) + 72
3 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9002bd08 _pthread_body + 96

Thread 13:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x900411f8 mach_wait_until + 8
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90040fc4 nanosleep + 388
2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90044798 usleep + 88
3 ...Rig 2.MusicDevice.component 0x20aca888 NI::RIG::COMP::RigKontrol2Interface::onTimer() + 312
4 ...Rig 2.MusicDevice.component 0x20acb078 NI::RIG::COMP::RigKontrolUpdateThread::run() + 56
5 ...Rig 2.MusicDevice.component 0x20d21fa8 NI::GP::Thread::execute(void*) + 72
6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9002bd08 _pthread_body + 96

Thread 14:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9002c4b8 semaphore_wait_trap + 8
1 ...Rig 2.MusicDevice.component 0x20ca2218 NI::PM::MGR::ProgramChangeThread::run() + 56
2 ...Rig 2.MusicDevice.component 0x20d21fa8 NI::GP::Thread::execute(void*) + 72
3 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9002bd08 _pthread_body + 96

Thread 15:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9002c4b8 semaphore_wait_trap + 8
1 ...Rig 2.MusicDevice.component 0x20b12ea8 NI::RIG::AUDIO::SuspendResumeThread::run() + 40
2 ...Rig 2.MusicDevice.component 0x20d21fa8 NI::GP::Thread::execute(void*) + 72
3 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9002bd08 _pthread_body + 96

Thread 16:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9002c4b8 semaphore_wait_trap + 8
1 ...Rig 2.MusicDevice.component 0x2107df18 NI::MEDIA::Asyncer<NI::PM::UndoBuffer>::run() + 376
2 ...Rig 2.MusicDevice.component 0x20d21fa8 NI::GP::Thread::execute(void*) + 72
3 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9002bd08 _pthread_body + 96

Thread 17:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x900411f8 mach_wait_until + 8
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90040fc4 nanosleep + 388
2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90044798 usleep + 88
3 ...Rig 2.MusicDevice.component 0x20aca888 NI::RIG::COMP::RigKontrol2Interface::onTimer() + 312
4 ...Rig 2.MusicDevice.component 0x20acb078 NI::RIG::COMP::RigKontrolUpdateThread::run() + 56
5 ...Rig 2.MusicDevice.component 0x20d21fa8 NI::GP::Thread::execute(void*) + 72
6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9002bd08 _pthread_body + 96

Thread 18:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9002c4b8 semaphore_wait_trap + 8
1 ...Rig 2.MusicDevice.component 0x20ca2218 NI::PM::MGR::ProgramChangeThread::run() + 56
2 ...Rig 2.MusicDevice.component 0x20d21fa8 NI::GP::Thread::execute(void*) + 72
3 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9002bd08 _pthread_body + 96

Thread 19:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90054388 semaphore_timedwait_signal_trap + 8
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90070be8 pthread_cond_timedwait_relative_np + 556
2 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x90bf6410 TSWaitOnSemaphoreCommon + 176
3 ...ickTimeComponents.component 0x99a7dca4 ReadSchedulerThreadEntryPoint + 5300
4 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9002bd08 _pthread_body + 96

Thread 20:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90054388 semaphore_timedwait_signal_trap + 8
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90070be8 pthread_cond_timedwait_relative_np + 556
2 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x90bf6410 TSWaitOnSemaphoreCommon + 176
3 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x90c00eb8 AIOFileThread(void*) + 520
4 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9002bd08 _pthread_body + 96

Thread 21:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x900411f8 mach_wait_until + 8
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90040fc4 nanosleep + 388
2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90044798 usleep + 88
3 ...sintefexaudio.LMAudioStereo 0x20050eb4 TimerThread(void*) + 36
4 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x90bc37b0 PrivateMPEntryPoint + 76
5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9002bd08 _pthread_body + 96

Thread 22:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9002c3c8 semaphore_wait_signal_trap + 8
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90030eac pthread_cond_wait + 480
2 com.apple.audio.midi.CoreMIDI 0x972cbeb4 CAGuard::Wait() + 88
3 com.apple.audio.midi.CoreMIDI 0x972c349c Task::Run() + 404
4 com.apple.audio.midi.CoreMIDI 0x972c2f44 XThread::RunHelper(void*) + 28
5 com.apple.audio.midi.CoreMIDI 0x972cc87c CAPThread::Entry(CAPThread*) + 96
6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9002bd08 _pthread_body + 96

Thread 3 crashed with PPC Thread State 64:
srr0: 0x00000000011142f4 srr1: 0x100000000000f030 vrsave: 0x0000000000000000
cr: 0x24000004 xer: 0x0000000020000000 lr: 0x00000000011142c4 ctr: 0x00000000011142d4
r0: 0x0000000000000000 r1: 0x00000000f0181a00 r2: 0x0000000000000001 r3: 0x000000001c820958
r4: 0x00000000f0181af0 r5: 0x00000000000003e8 r6: 0xffffffffffffffff r7: 0x000000000000000c
r8: 0x0000000000000000 r9: 0x00000000a00068a0 r10: 0x0000000000000007 r11: 0x0000000044000002
r12: 0x0000000064049da8 r13: 0x0000000000000000 r14: 0x0000000000000000 r15: 0x0000000000000000
r16: 0x0000000000000000 r17: 0x0000000000000000 r18: 0x0000000000000000 r19: 0x0000000000000000
r20: 0x0000000000000000 r21: 0x0000000000000000 r22: 0x0000000000000000 r23: 0x0000000000000000
r24: 0x0000000000000000 r25: 0x0000000000460000 r26: 0x000000001a090570 r27: 0x00000000f0181bb0
r28: 0x0000000000000000 r29: 0x0000000000000000 r30: 0x0000000000432cc0 r31: 0x00000000f0181a80

[hal]

I also had problems with vers.2 of LiquidMix. Live would take a lot of CPU. When I would stop the CPU was going to 2108%! No sound after.
So I think it had to do with the new latency adjustment they add on the LiquidMix Manager.
But, I did some tests using DP and it worked fine. So, like you say, probably it is a Live problem. In Live, my buffer size is 512. Changing the adjustments on Liquid never corrected the problems (even following their rule 2 x buffer size + 8 samples).
So I finally was able to find my 1.5.4 Installer of Liquid Mix. I came back to it and now it works fine.
I was using my PPC G5 Mac.
I did not update my Intel Powerbook, just in case...

[GUY SMILEY]

Just bought it.
Have daisy chained off a TC Electronics Konnekt 24D via a 4 pin firewire port on a laptop running Windows XP2.
Installed version 2 of software and after a couple of hiccups is now working OK.
Problems eventually sorted by turning TC Electronics on and off (sounds easy but took me ages to work out !)

[Willem]

I have kind of a similar problem. When I load projects that contain liquidmixes
Live would say that it couldn't fin the hardware but then when I press OK, it just loads up en works like it should. So this doesn't really bother me.
Still it is very crappy for you that it crashes all the time. Maybe you should try to install the liquidmix drivers again or something.