Live + Numerology... anyone?

Per Boysen · Post by **Per Boysen** » Fri Feb 20, 2004 8:29 am

Has someone already started using Numerology with Live?

On a mac you should be able to run them together by using Soundflower system level audio/midi piping. In theory this seems like a killer set-up but I have not had the time yet to check it out IRL.

signifier · Post by **signifier** » Fri Feb 20, 2004 3:51 pm

i've been playing around with numerology, but so far only to generate some clip audio to tweak in live. will get around to sync-ing when i have more time to spend.

numerology seems like a good compliment, since it can generate unusual stuff. i'm not into the usual sequencing gear, since i'm trying to get away from "keyboard" type melody/harmony, and exploring the possibilities of the inherent melody/harmony of whole chunks of audio.

all the best:

ACR

UlcerPentacidis · Post by **UlcerPentacidis** » Fri Feb 20, 2004 4:14 pm

Works perfectly for me.

Live and numerology automatically recognize each others midi, so syncing one to the other is no problem. Control of live via numerology is cake as well. Maddening sample and loop triggering occur with this combo, especially when samples/loops are gate sensitive.

Soundflower works well to route audio from numerolgy hosted programs. Have been using fm7 a bunch. Tends to crackle sometimes though, and seems tough on cpu. Numerology/Live/Bidule seems to work a little smoother for me. (bidule hosts fm7 and routes audio)

Numerology is imo worth way more than $85. Try the demo, I bet you'll be hooked.

Also, Numerology rocks any piece of hardware like you've never heard.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 12:22 am

in laymens terms tell us all what numerology is and how it works with live,
also what are the advantages in using it.

thanks

Per Boysen · Post by **Per Boysen** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 1:56 am

UlcerPentacidis wrote:I bet you'll be hooked..

Correct! I bought it 14 hours ago and since then I have been reading the manual and learning the software. It's nothing but brilliant! Can't wait to use it with Live and my guitar with midi pickup. Numerology doing live arpeggiator and Live looping clips of the normal guitar sound. A system like that is cool to have because whenever you can't sleep or have to wait for a bus somewhere you can create new concepts, in your mind, for hooking up instrument, audio and midi streams

claudek · Post by **claudek** » Mon Feb 23, 2004 8:32 am

UlcerPentacidis wrote:Works perfectly for me.

Live and numerology automatically recognize each others midi, so syncing one to the other is no problem. Control of live via numerology is cake as well. Maddening sample and loop triggering occur with this combo, especially when samples/loops are gate sensitive.

Soundflower works well to route audio from numerolgy hosted programs. Have been using fm7 a bunch. Tends to crackle sometimes though, and seems tough on cpu. Numerology/Live/Bidule seems to work a little smoother for me. (bidule hosts fm7 and routes audio)

I just downloaded the demo..I was wondering if one could tell me how to route the midi and audio with live.Midi clock? Sunflower? What are the steps?

The Hulk · Post by **The Hulk** » Mon Feb 23, 2004 2:23 pm

claudek wrote:I just downloaded the demo..I was wondering if one could tell me how to route the midi and audio with live.Midi clock? Sunflower? What are the steps?

you don't need Sunflower to route the Midi clock. As long as you start Numerology first the Midi will appear in your Midi Clock sync in Ableton Live. A tip. Live's Midi Clock sucks but Numerology's is pretty solid. I recommned you use Numerology as the master clock.

claudek · Post by **claudek** » Mon Feb 23, 2004 4:00 pm

thanks Hulk,
So what about the audio? It would be nice if Numerolgy had Rewire!

claudek · Post by **claudek** » Mon Feb 23, 2004 5:10 pm

Ok I can send out midi data from Numerology Out 1 into Live but the minute they sync the cip goes tp "sample offline" and nothing plays.I also downloaded and installed Soundflower but I cannt see where to route the audio out of Numer into live.

jed · Post by **jed** » Mon Feb 23, 2004 5:33 pm

Rewire is on Jim's list of developmental features, should be arriving soon. To route audio to Live, choose Soundflower as your Sound pref in system prefs, then choose soundflower as input in Live and your actual output in Live. Numerology defaults to the systems sound out (he is implementing actual driver choice now.)

I can't believe how absolutely ridiculous Numerology is. I no longer care if Live implements midi.

claudek · Post by **claudek** » Mon Feb 23, 2004 6:36 pm

Hi Jed,
Thanks for your reply..Another thing they need to make is a users forum.
So If I sync Live to Numer's clcok why doesn't live play the clips or play?
I see clcok sync lighting up..but no clips are in action..
REWIRE!! AND IT WILL RULE~

proteron · Post by **proteron** » Mon Feb 23, 2004 9:23 pm

Howdy,

I'm fixing to dive into figuring this out myself, but maybe one of you folks who have already gotten Live running/syncing/controlled-by Numerology through either Soundflower or Bidule could write up a step by step tutorial, including a walk through of your starting a track.

It would make you famous and help out plenty of folks until there is native ReWire in numerology.

I'm going to have to get Numerology now because a) it's wicked! and b) I called Steinberg to see if they still had some crossgrade Cubase SX 1.0 installation discs for sale to mac users who have the PC installer and their answer was to spend the 150$ to upgrade to 2.0. :/ Tempting because it would run well on my PC, but it would be a bit more overhead than I want on this G4. and for 85, I'd much rather get weirdness flexibility factor of Numerology. in the end I may have to do both, but if I go out of the country for school I'm not even going to have a midi controller (sigh)

So if anyone happens to have a Mac installer cd for Cubase SX that they've given up for Live, I'd sure love to pick it up

My dongle has never been inside a mac before...

um
no comment.

claudek · Post by **claudek** » Mon Feb 23, 2004 10:45 pm

Ok got them to sync!! to work via going to the {CLOCK GROUP}:
and sending out of the MIDI CLOCK SYNC (SEND) Out "Numerology 1"
then in Live simply sync to this input..Make sure you have Ext sync enabled..
Now, how to get audio into Live from Numerology and hear it at same time (MONITOR) is the next puzzle , as Numerology only uses the OSX audio out ..so in midi/audio setup I have to choose default output Soundflower..but that meansI can no longer hear Numerology..Any ideas on this one? Can I monitor the input of what I'm gonna record into live?
I'm using a MOTU 828 soundcard.

Per Boysen · Post by **Per Boysen** » Tue Feb 24, 2004 12:40 am

Numerology is totally wicked!!! The best software I've come across since Logic and Live. Bought it yesterday and today I created a set of arpeggiators and hooked my UC-33 up to some Num parameters. Boy did I have fun tweaking the knobs in real time. But I had no cool synths, since the pluggo stuff crashes the mac on OSX. So I synced Logic to Numerology and recorded six midi channels on one Logic track set to "ch all" (coming in on "Numerolgy 1" together with the midi clock sync signal). For monitoring my knob tweaking I patched up some lousy Apple softies on Num. In Logic I splitted the midi track according to midi channels and patched up the Emagic synths on the Numerology tracks, now safely recorded into Logic. The first piece was created by hitting ONE seven note chord to kick off the arpeggiators. I studied the midi timing closely in a Logic editor and it's just too sweet!!! "Instant Groove Quantize" along the entire track, not a simple one or two bar pattern. That's what I like Num for!

http://www.boysen.se/studio/Numerology07.mp3
http://www.boysen.se/studio/Numerology_Seq_Bass.mp3

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Feb 24, 2004 1:11 am

Per

Nice pieces!

Those demos answered a question I put on the OSX audio forum about using Numerology with Logic. I think you can get these same type of things via the Environment, but not as simple and powerful as Numerology.

The interoperablity of these programs in OSX is far exceeding expectations!

Neil

PS this is Neil Goldstein from Loopers list. Interesting how we travel similar paths!

Live + Numerology... anyone?

Live + Numerology... anyone?

Numerology

call for a tutorial

OT but very cool