I have sussed out lives major feel problem

mercyplease · Post by **mercyplease** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 9:14 pm

fanboys im serious here and despite your hate of the evil one this is a fact.Live is total shite with velocities. its an on or off state and if you know anything about dynamics you will know this is crucial to the whole feel and modd of a song even if you do compress the mix to death dynamics will still come through as feel. you know what im talking about and this makes loads of live productions feel totally ungroovy. i can hear a live production a mile of as long as the song isnt just a bunch of made up loops im talking about using impulse and lives other instruments. injecting feel and groovyness in to live is very difficult.
yes i can hear the fanboys saying I think its great i have no problem and all the usual denial stuff. thats because your making toneless feelless music. if you want to jack that floor live is not the software of choice
dont believe me download a demo of FL studio. instant groovyness.
Please German souless prgrammers can you do something about this. I know you all like to sit in botique art galleries and arty little cafes talking about how splendid abstract is but dont forget were not all in berlin patting each other on the back at our latest experimental toneless productions.
why is it germans either make total cheese or drone music?

pulsoc · Post by **pulsoc** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 9:21 pm

silicon1138 · Post by **silicon1138** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 9:39 pm

Maybe it's just your own tunes that sound crap?
Live works wonders for me and a million other talented users.
How can you not be happy with 127 levels of velocity?
What are you talking about anyway? groove coming from velocity? Shouldn't you be talking about quantise or swing?

this is one of the most lame posts i've read in a long time.

jedeye · Post by **jedeye** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 10:06 pm

silicon1138 wrote:Maybe it's just your own tunes that sound crap?
Live works wonders for me and a million other talented users.
How can you not be happy with 127 levels of velocity?
What are you talking about anyway? groove coming from velocity? Shouldn't you be talking about quantise or swing?

this is one of the most lame posts i've read in a long time.

+1

rarr · Post by **rarr** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 10:15 pm

jedeye wrote:
silicon1138 wrote:Maybe it's just your own tunes that sound crap?
Live works wonders for me and a million other talented users.
How can you not be happy with 127 levels of velocity?
What are you talking about anyway? groove coming from velocity? Shouldn't you be talking about quantise or swing?

this is one of the most lame posts i've read in a long time.
+1

+1

Idonotlikebroccoli · Post by **Idonotlikebroccoli** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 10:32 pm

I manage to make groovier stuff in Live than in FL Studio. Therefore FL Studio must suck ass. St00pid belgian waffle-eating poirot-watching FL Studio programmer twats.

Michael-SW · Post by **Michael-SW** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 10:57 pm

Belgian programmers (or is it dutch?) are soo much better than their german counterparts. That is why music sounds better in FL.

(Not slamming either software. Good music sounds good, regardless of your tools. Use the tools you are most comfortable with.)

Torv · Post by **Torv** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 10:58 pm

mercyplease wrote:fanboys im serious here and despite your hate of the evil one this is a fact.Live is total shite with velocities. its an on or off state and if you know anything about dynamics you will know this is crucial to the whole feel and modd of a song even if you do compress the mix to death dynamics will still come through as feel. you know what im talking about and this makes loads of live productions feel totally ungroovy. i can hear a live production a mile of as long as the song isnt just a bunch of made up loops im talking about using impulse and lives other instruments. injecting feel and groovyness in to live is very difficult.
yes i can hear the fanboys saying I think its great i have no problem and all the usual denial stuff. thats because your making toneless feelless music. if you want to jack that floor live is not the software of choice
dont believe me download a demo of FL studio. instant groovyness.
Please German souless prgrammers can you do something about this. I know you all like to sit in botique art galleries and arty little cafes talking about how splendid abstract is but dont forget were not all in berlin patting each other on the back at our latest experimental toneless productions.
why is it germans either make total cheese or drone music?

I totally agree with you, Live is a wonderful piece of interface, but it sucks when it comes to feel. If I want feel, which I do for most of my music, I export all the stuff and work in Logic Express instead. Its just so obvious to my ears...

Thanks for speaking

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hacktheplanet · Post by **hacktheplanet** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 8:53 am

How fucking hard is it to make your own goddamn groove?!
It's very simple. Just adjust the velocities yourself. Yes, Live has no "random velocity" feature". Get over it and make your own goddamn velocities.

"Injecting Groove" is not very difficult at all. It's just a matter of creatively adjusting velocities and swing - Something that is VERY simple to do using Live. Hell, I did it five fucking minutes ago. I nearly always do it with my hihats if they are 16th notes because it sounds nice in a house track.

Easy peasy. Live is a barebones tool. People like you want to rely on your equipment for creativity when you should rely on yourself.

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 9:07 am

Only a real fanboy knows how to make instruments respond to velocity

john gordon · Post by **john gordon** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 10:58 am

i dont want to say anything,but since ive switched over to making my beats on a roland mv 8800 not only do my beats have a better feel to them they sound larger than life.they had no life in ableton.sorry fanboys....

Funkstar De Luxe · Post by **Funkstar De Luxe** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 11:08 am

No, Live's major problem is that the midi timing is quite loose sometimes. Also, WE NEED A GROOVE FUCTION. Some way of using Cubase groove files would be great - anything but that shitty swing control

P220ST · Post by **P220ST** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 11:54 am

You can always slave live to cubase, or put the groove into your music before you touch it. I'm not being a smart alek. Just making a point

Live is a plus/minus affair and one of those is it's user manipulability, what another posted meant (I'm sorry if I'm mispeaking for you) when he/she said "barebones")

Live isn't sterile. It is software.

-P220ST

Funkstar De Luxe · Post by **Funkstar De Luxe** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 12:07 pm

P220ST wrote:You can always slave live to cubase, or put the groove into your music before you touch it. I'm not being a smart alek. Just making a point

Live is a plus/minus affair and one of those is it's user manipulability, what another posted meant (I'm sorry if I'm mispeaking for you) when he/she said "barebones")

Live isn't sterile. It is software.

-P220ST

Slaving Live to Cubase is an interesting idea... What do you mean by "put the groove into your music before you touch it"?
I love Lives interface, it the only way I can really enjoy writing music - everything else feels like programming.

P220ST · Post by **P220ST** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 12:16 pm

Funkstar De Luxe wrote:What do you mean by "put the groove into your music before you touch it"?

Just a simple minded thought. not everything going into live has to be a string of MIDI events. There's nothing keeping me from slapping down 8 bars, 12 bars of funkified groovy whatever (bass in my musical life) and pulling it into the software. OK, it's not as modifiable (of course) as MIDI. But I can and do live with that tradeoff once in a while.

You know what my dream is? To put together a traditional jug band and record it with Live as the primary host.

-P220ST

I have sussed out lives major feel problem

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