Midi control of clips, recording of clip automation

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sat May 15, 2004 2:49 pm

I do live looping with Live, and a huge feature that is missing from Live is midi mappability (and thus midi control) of diffferent aspects of the clip view. Lets say you're performing live and record a loop on an instrument, then you add some effects on the track with said clip, and then you want to record your effect knob tweaking as automation in the clip veiw. Yeah, you can draw it, but that's not too practical live (or not as simple as being able to record knob tweaks). I'm lobbying for a second somewhat "global" record button--this button would enable recording of all effect/volume/... tweaks to a clip. Hitting this button would be kind-of like hitting the global record button to record automation in the arrange view, but instead it would record any automation you apply to clips that are playing in the session view. Or course, the pre-requisite for this is midi control of clip properties (though the effects already respond to midi, we just need an easy way to record the tweaks as clip automation)
--ABLETON?

Ryan

Per Boysen · Post by **Per Boysen** » Sat May 15, 2004 4:58 pm

Anonymous wrote:I'm lobbying for a second somewhat "global" record button--this button would enable recording of all effect/volume/... tweaks to a clip....

...or to a region connected with that clip, so you might have longer fx tweakings than the actual audio clip, if you want. Very similar to the way clip envelope regions work today when "unlinked" - it's just that we need to get at it from external midi.

Ryan's idea about a "Global Performance Record" button is somthing I'd love to see happening

Today we can record a performance in a linear fashion (the arrange view) but it would be very cool to have this ability loop based, in the session view, as well - and for all functions.

Ableton has pitched Live as the best live mixing/looping performance tool available and should keep up the good work by making all functions accessable from exernal midi control.

pentajigga · Post by **pentajigga** » Thu May 20, 2004 11:36 pm

I WOULD LOVE to see this feature.. i have been learning live 3 over the past 2 days... and i wrongly assumed that this was possible.

seei would kill for this MUCHO necessary!!

love the program thanks

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon May 24, 2004 6:18 pm

I'd love to see this feature as well.

What would additionally be nice is a way to then take that clip+fx+automation and "consolidate" it so that the wet output overwrites the original wav file. This would save cpu for me in a lot of instances, rather than having a full battery of effects on each track.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon May 24, 2004 6:32 pm

amen--a "consolidate with effects and automation" feature would be great--I guess the only catch would be what happens to the effects after consolidation. I guess it would make the most sense if Live first consolidated the clip with effects and automation, then turn off the effect, and remove the automation. Or maybe it would automatically remove both the effect and automation. It seems like these would be the issues--what does Live do with the effects and automation once you "consolidate with effects and automation"? If Live did nothing and left them in place, then the clip would get essentially double the effects and automation (not good). If it automatically got rid of things, some people might get pissed. Maybe Live could consolidate to a new clip on the "clipboard"--i.e. it would leave the original clip and automation in place, and once consolidated, you would manually paste the clip wherever you want. This would force (allow) the user to choose how to deal with the effects and automation that were consolidated.

Ryan

Per Boysen · Post by **Per Boysen** » Mon May 24, 2004 6:50 pm

Ryan, you're thinking goes in line with the "freeze" function of Logic 6: plug-ins getting bypassed and an audio file, with the plug-in effects burned in, is inserted in their place - until you "un-freeze" the track. Then the plug-in effects are coming back on-line. In Logic this is just a trick to save CPU usage in linear track play-back.. In Live, however, it can be the foundation of new and fantastic non-linear loop creation.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon May 24, 2004 6:55 pm

word. Combined with the concept of making "blank" clip templates with automations done ahead of time (recently described by ducktail/cosmosuave in the "laptopalooza" thread), a feature like this could allow one to quickly take one clip and make many way tweaked versions of the clip with all automation and effects rendered into the new clip waveforms.

Ryan

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon May 24, 2004 7:31 pm

I would overwrite the existing clip with the consolidated audio file, leave the effects in place, but turn them off. I'd rather not have a new clip created in a different slot: it seems to me that would be a little unwieldy during live performance...

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon May 24, 2004 8:37 pm

I hear you on that. the only reason I suggested it was in terms of non-effect automation. Turning the effects off makes perfect sense, but the non-effect automation (vol, pan, sample offset, transposition, etc.) is trickier--left in place, the clip would have double the automation. If it gets erased when a clip is "consolidated with effects and automation", then some people might not like it. Some people are making clip "templates" with lots of automation and a blank audio clip--they then drop audio clips in and the automation is applied to the replacement clip. Erasing this automation when "consolidating with effects and automation" might annoy some people. Maybe the effects would automatically shut off (and their automation stay in place), and there could be a preferences menu choice as to whether the non-effect automation stays or goes. If you choose for the non-effect automation to stay, then you would need to drag or copy and paste the consolidated clip somewhere else to avoid the double automation.

Ryan

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon May 24, 2004 11:17 pm

hmm..all good points I hadn't considered.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue May 25, 2004 12:09 am

yeah, and I'm sure there are even trickier aspects that I can't even think of. As simple as some requests seem, I'm sure there are all kinds of hidden programming obstacles to incorporating them into the Live. But I have good faith in Ableton, and am excited about what the future holds.

Ryan

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue May 25, 2004 3:13 am

Anonymous wrote:I'd love to see this feature as well.

What would additionally be nice is a way to then take that clip+fx+automation and "consolidate" it so that the wet output overwrites the original wav file. This would save cpu for me in a lot of instances, rather than having a full battery of effects on each track.

cant you just use the resample feature? this does this exactly as you described.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue May 25, 2004 11:54 am

there is no feature explictly called "resample". Rendering to disk accomplishes this, but is a bit of a pain. consolidating just blends clips into one clip--no automation or rendered effects. Thats why we're asking for "resample"

Ryan

vivaplex · Post by **vivaplex** » Sun Jun 06, 2004 5:40 pm

Ableton has pitched Live as the best live mixing/looping performance tool available and should keep up the good work by making all functions accessable from exernal midi control.[/quote]

I also have some features from the clip looping menu I would like to see available for MIDI. I have found that by running the loop length up and down, especially on 16th notes field, that a jogging type of scratch results which, far from being automatic, depends on the rhythmic gestures I perform with the mouse (while holding in the mouse button). I would love to gesticulate on my MiniDesk MIDI instead.

Midi control of clips, recording of clip automation

Midi control of clips, recording of clip automation

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