Every realised how bad you really sound?

mooseymoo · Post by **mooseymoo** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:35 pm

Started playing guitar again after a good 7 year layoff, Started to get some tracks together after buying a Line 6 Toneport UX2 and getting the ableton software inc.

After listening back its amazing that what you hear and what you "think" you hear is so much different

I used to think my timing was spot on and my riffs where "tight" but I am so far from the mark it is ridiculous. I was playing a riff today and was hiting some power chords on the eight notes on the AND of the 3rd and 4th beat and I thought I was nailing it, but listening back I was really out. So then I replayed and tried to hit a little earlier and by this I was spot on, but it just did not feel right!

Over the years I have got so used to the sound and me thinking I was in I have developed a really bad habit, so here it is: If it sounds bad on replay - it is not the software -IT IS BAD!

Wish I would have recorded myself years ago. Back to the drawing board.

Rinko · Post by **Rinko** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:45 pm

i think most people can relate to that:

i used to spend hours and hours scratching- thought i was pretty decent. listened back to a mixtape i did bout 18 months ago. rubbish.

makes you appreciate how hard 'simple' things like timing and consistency are and how good talented musicians are.

at least you are listening to yourself and analysing it. i'm sure improvements will come.

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:46 pm

I would check the latency on your setup, you might be less bad than you think you are.

Although, if you really haven't played for 7 years you are probably just a bit rusty.

Seyser Koze · Post by **Seyser Koze** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:54 pm

Don't call it "timing issues", call it "groove"

If you are recording as opposed to playing live through it, you can always go back and warp the audio to get the timing hos wouy want it and add in more effects to get it sounding how you want.

Not the end of the world, just keep your playing simple and within your current area of ability and then use Live to tweak as required.

Think positive man!

mooseymoo · Post by **mooseymoo** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:04 pm

Thanks guys

Yeah I just been playing and keeping it simple, I am using straight quarter note/eighth notes to get in the grove.

7 years is a while out, but Im really into my playing again and loving it. Soon as I feel I have something half decent to show you guys I will.

Thanks

Robert Henke · Post by **Robert Henke** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:18 pm

A related topic: Create a f-a-n-t-a-s-t-i-c tune at the end of a long work day. Listen to if for one hour nonstop that night, constantly thinking: THAT'S IT !!! THAT SOOOO COOL. This is the next 12" !!!! Next morning, opening the same session again. Play it back and think: what on earth did I do here??? This is the most cheesy bassline/chord progression/hook.... one can imagine. This is total nonsense.
Happened to me just this morning. I hate those moments. It's like dreaming something really nice and then you wake up and realize it was just a dream.
Bah.

Robert

dave dominey · Post by **dave dominey** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:21 pm

can we hear it robert?

in fact i'll show you mine if you show me yours

http://apps.facebook.com/mpaudio/?play= ... ca1ab064c9

if its as cheesy as that i will be impressed!

Robert Henke · Post by **Robert Henke** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:22 pm

NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dave dominey · Post by **dave dominey** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:29 pm

oops u replied as i was editing to add the link to my cheesy morning tune

even after that morsal of cheddar still no share????

GUY SMILEY · Post by **GUY SMILEY** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:33 pm

dave dominey wrote:can we hear it robert?

in fact i'll show you mine if you show me yours

http://apps.facebook.com/mpaudio/?play= ... ca1ab064c9

if its as cheesy as that i will be impressed!

there are lifts, answering machines and sonic th hedgehog levels just crying out for that . thanks for sharing .. plus I am finding tunes with laughter in are usually great (Za Za did a great one)

markaugust · Post by **markaugust** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:35 pm

hahaha

even worse
i was in this illusion for 2 weeks
makin a remix with a tight deadline; only to discover two days prior to the deadline I had been on a dead end for those 2 weeks.
what i made and thought was awesome was just plain rubbish; and i could not grasp why i was believing in it so much while it hit me
luckily the next path i took totally worked out.

mooseymoo · Post by **mooseymoo** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:40 pm

dave that made me chuckle no end. The bit of laughter half way through was so cool LOL

you the man dave and thanks for sharing

dave dominey · Post by **dave dominey** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:54 pm

glad it cheered you up!

on a dry note, ive got a ux2 also

are you using the tone direct monitoring with gear box running? i dont suffer from any recording latency when using that .... if its a latency problem that is, and not just a stiff whack on the knuckles and a metronome problem

mooseymoo · Post by **mooseymoo** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 5:02 pm

dave dominey wrote:glad it cheered you up!

on a dry note, ive got a ux2 also

are you using the tone direct monitoring with gear box running? i dont suffer from any recording latency when using that .... if its a latency problem that is, and not just a stiff whack on the knuckles and a metronome problem

To be very honest here mate Im really new to the gear I have, after my lay off and coming back so much has changed. I just went to the guitar shop and asked what there was available to play through my pc and they sold me a toneport ux2

But I go through my toneport with my favourite patch with gearbox running then recording through ablerton and using ezdrummer to jam along with. I have 2 amps plugged into the ux, a marshall and a fender. so basically Im recording as Im listening. Been working on the ablerton and the toneport to find functions etc but as I say still very new to it.

Maybe I aont as bad as I thoughrt, just shocked me to hear it back that I wasnt tight enough If ya get me

bicarbone · Post by **bicarbone** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 5:12 pm

dave dominey wrote:can we hear it robert?

in fact i'll show you mine if you show me yours

http://apps.facebook.com/mpaudio/?play= ... ca1ab064c9

if its as cheesy as that i will be impressed!

so refreshing! You should definitely post it here:

http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic. ... e898e82b3d

And if Mr. Henke would consider adding his own as well, no need to say that absolute discretion will be guaranteed.