Shuffle

ellisclavane · Post by **ellisclavane** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:02 pm

Hi, im new to producing. i would like to make garage music. people on other forums are saying that something called shuffle is important.
What is shuffle? How do i apply it on ableton live 7? and is it something to do with groove? Thank you for your time

NRJay · Post by **NRJay** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:12 pm

Shuffle is something I also never ever understood! Back in the old days of Propellerhead's Rebirth (prior to the now famous Reason), it also had a shuffle button. Activated or not, I couldn't hear a single difference.

Please someone elaborate on this.

thefool · Post by **thefool** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:14 pm

Humm. If you enable shuffle in a playlist it randomly selects the next track.
dunno what you can lead from that

NRJay · Post by **NRJay** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:20 pm

So if this is correct, In Rebirth it should randomly select the next pattern, but it never did that ...
I also don't see how this option is essential to music production then. The producer decides what comes next, not a random button.

laird · Post by **laird** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:39 pm

I think "shuffle" in ReBirth was actually a "Swing" setting (as its known on most other sequencers), which in Ableton Live, is under the "Groove Quantize" function, which is important for Garage music as I understand. Got that?

Try selecting the different Swing settings under "Groove" in the clip window and listen to what happens... if you hear nothing, then record a series of 16 16th notes.

With no groove setting, every 16th note will be equally spaced between its neighbors. With a "swing" feel, some of those notes will be closer to one neighbor than the other.

"swing" is also important for "Swing" music.

laird · Post by **laird** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:44 pm

Yes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_garage
suggests the shuffle you should be interested in is Swing
Not the shuffle on your CD player, or what you do when you walk or play cards.

NRJay · Post by **NRJay** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:54 pm

Aah, this explains it!
I know what swing is so I'm shuffling my beats for quite some time now

rbmonosylabik · Post by **rbmonosylabik** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:20 pm

"Swing" usually refers to displacing every 2nd 8th note forward in time, creating a "DUUUN da DUUUN da" groove (a hardcore jazzist would hang me by a painful body part for explaining it like that

)

"Shuffle" is displacing every 2nd 16th note forward, creating a different groove.

ellisclavane · Post by **ellisclavane** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:57 pm

Thank you for your replies but there is just one thing how do i use this swing option?

rbmonosylabik · Post by **rbmonosylabik** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:32 pm

Somewhere in the tempo an metronome's vicinity, there's a 0. That's the groove amount, drag it up and it'll add the groove you selected to all clips.

Shuffle

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thank you but