How to play Logic 8 instruments in Ableton?

robskey · Post by **robskey** » Sat Mar 01, 2008 6:21 pm

Hi

I am trying to use my apple sounds from Logic 8 (Rhodes, Clav, Hammond) in Ableton. According to the specs I should be able to have two audio unit instrument in a project (I am using Ableton 6 LE).

The main reason to buy Ableton was to be able to loop and still use my instruments (there is no Looping in Logic or in Mainstage). I already discovered that I have to change all apple loops (.caf) to .aiff. That was the first disappointment. If I am not able to play the apple instruments when using Ableton then I think I can better return this software

When I do a scan of the plugins Ableton only finds the Apple effects (reverb etc).
Can you help me?

Thanks a lot in advance

Regards
Rob

dcease · Post by **dcease** » Sat Mar 01, 2008 6:37 pm

howdy!

logic instruments are for logic, only the efx that come with mac osx are usable inside live. you could rewire live into logic, or you could run logic and live on 2 seperate computers, if possible, but no using logic instruments and efx in live, same how you cannot run live efx and instruments in other apps. just the way it is...

robskey · Post by **robskey** » Sat Mar 01, 2008 7:10 pm

OK, thanks (not the answer I hoped)

Still I am puzzled what the description on the Ableton box means '...features the support of two AU/VST instruments..'

dcease · Post by **dcease** » Sat Mar 01, 2008 7:18 pm

your version of live DOES support au/vst, but logics instruments are NOT au/vst's. for some free au/vst's head over to www.kvraudio.com

teknobryan · Post by **teknobryan** » Sat Mar 01, 2008 8:28 pm

if you have Sampler you can import the instruments.

leedsquietman · Post by **leedsquietman** » Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:39 pm

you can import SOME of the exs24 sounds when the conversion process is not having some kind of fit of pique.

Or you can render the sound to audio and import the .wav/.aiff into Simpler or Sampler (or if you don;t wish to change the sound or performance straight into an audio track)

BAKOY_MUSIC · Post by **BAKOY_MUSIC** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 1:14 am

Someone told us this method, although we haven't tried it ourselves as yet, but maybe you can try and let us know ?

<<a. a mac
b. the internal iac bus turned on
c. soundflower from cycling 74
d. mainstage
e. live

install soundflower
reboot
open audio midi setup
under the audio menu select aggregate device
select the soundflower device (whichever on you want, 2 or 16 channe)
select the other device (built in, external whatever you are using)
you now have a new virtual audio device that is actually
two devices in one.

open live
open mainstage
in the prefs for each choose the aggregate audio device as the io
choose the internal midi iac bus as the midi io

insert a new external instrument device in live ( 7 needed)
or create 1 new midi and 1 new audio channel.

midi will go out the aic
audio will be an input on the aggregate device

in mainstage you will need to make the audio output the same
as the input you chose from live, using soundflower this
should pass audio straight into live (with latency)
select your midi in mirroring the midi out you chose in live
now mainstage should recieve midi data from live, and
send the resulting audio back into live.>>

good luck !

dcease · Post by **dcease** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 1:19 am

^i was wondering if someone would recommend that... i thought it was possible, but wasn't sure how to word it. if it would be helpful, i'll try...

dcease · Post by **dcease** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 2:25 am

BAKOY_MUSIC's tip works. use this method.

gjm · Post by **gjm** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 2:30 am

BAKOY_MUSIC wrote:

insert a new external instrument device in live ( 7 needed)

OP has Live 6LE. Where is your credit card?

dcease · Post by **dcease** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 2:55 am

^no need for all that... you can use logic or mainstage, and just assign a midi and audio track in ableton from logic/mainstage. if he has free tracks, he does not need a au/vst, as this is all application to application. i have logic and live open right now, both programs set at 128 buffer, and sculpture is coming thru live just fine. it's pretty fuckin cool, and i imagine i'll be using this a lot.

thanks for the tip, BAKOY_MUSIC. +1 once you have iac and aggregate devices set, and soundflower put in, it's actually really easy!

BAKOY_MUSIC · Post by **BAKOY_MUSIC** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:46 am

Today i have the time to try out sculpture in live . . . it's fab news that it worx !!!

Don't thank us, it was another very kind dude named "gomi", (may he be blessed) who had promised to post this advice but obviously didn't. . .

to get us integrating the 2DAWS instead of separating the 2DAWS,
let's hope this advances us in some way . . . surely yes !

Gnuus · Post by **Gnuus** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 2:28 pm

Thanx to 'Gomi' or whoever for this great tip!

SMonk · Post by **SMonk** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 3:32 pm

It's even possible to route audio from Live out through mainstage fx (the space designer reverb and the vocoder being the most attractive choices here) and back into Live, with a bit of fiddling. Better have a fast computer if you want reasonable latency, though.

dcease · Post by **dcease** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 3:50 pm

i'm going to try with the node app next, might be a while, but if it free's up some cycles, that'll be sweet!