I am trying to score a film using Live 7 only. I'm still trying to wrap my brain around the Warp Master concept. Although I understand the concept of warping, and in this case, using a clip to be the Warp Master, but I cannot figure out what I believe to be a simple problem.
I know that using a Warp Master clip, all tempo changes are done within the Sample window of the Master clip (in this case, the video clips audio track).
So, let's say the tempo beings at 107 BPM. But at a specific point (at a specific frame), I want the tempo to be 120 BPM, for an exact amount of time (SMPTE time, not arrangement time). I am totally confused by the "Warp From Here" options in the sample edit window. The more I try to change the warp markers in the video clip to a specific BPM, it screws up the whole tempo map of the arrangement. I would think it would be easy for Live to create warp markers to make the tempo map stay at a constant BPM for the requested amount of time.
Any helpful thoughts?
Video Clip as Warp Master
Warp markers
this is more of a problem than a tip. Why don't you repost in the forums that are offering help?
If the video clip doesn't have a tempo based audio track ( which I'm assuming it doesn't as you are scoring it) Warp from here is going to do strange things as it tries to find a tempo using the dialogue and sound effects in the video audio.
Start off with an unwarped video track (select all and delete if they won't go away) and warp the audio tracks you create to sync them with the video action.
Don't be confused by the concept of "hit-points" i.e. markers in the video to signify where action points are.
You want the video unwarped so it plays at it's normal speed and pace and you want to warp the other audio material to fit with the video.
Hope that clears up some stuff, post in another forum to get help on how to do this in greater depth.
If the video clip doesn't have a tempo based audio track ( which I'm assuming it doesn't as you are scoring it) Warp from here is going to do strange things as it tries to find a tempo using the dialogue and sound effects in the video audio.
Start off with an unwarped video track (select all and delete if they won't go away) and warp the audio tracks you create to sync them with the video action.
Don't be confused by the concept of "hit-points" i.e. markers in the video to signify where action points are.
You want the video unwarped so it plays at it's normal speed and pace and you want to warp the other audio material to fit with the video.
Hope that clears up some stuff, post in another forum to get help on how to do this in greater depth.
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And if you are being this vague & I was the director or producer
I would be seriously worried & probably be finding your replacement right about now...
before you make a single moment of music you MUST know what format & speed the
vision you are scoring will be released at, and how that relates to what video you are working to.... otherwise any number of bad things can occur, including wasting a lot
of time & money during the setup for a mix.... 'nuff said?
I would be seriously worried & probably be finding your replacement right about now...
before you make a single moment of music you MUST know what format & speed the
vision you are scoring will be released at, and how that relates to what video you are working to.... otherwise any number of bad things can occur, including wasting a lot
of time & money during the setup for a mix.... 'nuff said?
no need to be nasty
what gives? not a very helpful reply. perhaps you were replaced by a director or producer and are bitter? "how to score" was not the point of the question. i was asking a question about live.
maybe you should understand the question before you start shooting off at the mouth
maybe you should understand the question before you start shooting off at the mouth
subbasshead wrote:And if you are being this vague & I was the director or producer
I would be seriously worried & probably be finding your replacement right about now...
before you make a single moment of music you MUST know what format & speed the
vision you are scoring will be released at, and how that relates to what video you are working to.... otherwise any number of bad things can occur, including wasting a lot
of time & money during the setup for a mix.... 'nuff said?
Last edited by mpaguia on Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:54 am, edited 1 time in total.
I believe if you set the movie clip as the warp master, the movie's speed will run unaltered. the rest of the arrangement will follow.
This is what is stated in the manual. I realize it's not the only way to work with video, but on a very large project, it seems to be the most practical.
I figured out how to solve my issue... Contrary to the suggestions in the other posts (my apologies), I did set the video clip as the warp master, cleared out all of the warp markers, and started from scratch.
it helped to reset the clips time signature to something small, like 1/4 or 1/8, so that the time signature of the arrangement was less relevant to the time signature of the video clip.
i just paid close attention to the SMPTE in the arrangement view and how it relates to the clips SMPTE. You can also see how changing the videos marp markers affects the tempo map. (if you expand the "master" track) Using the video as the warp master makes it very easy to specify when you want a specific bar/beat to hit a specific frame.
this has been extremely helpful on a current project... the director cut a scene to temp music, and loved the pacing, tempo, etc. of the temp music. Using the video as a warp master, and moving the warp markers around to sync with the temp music track made it very easy to write alongside the temp track. Even helped with time signature changes, etc.
again, using the video as the warp master does not alter the videos tempo. that was not the question.
thanks for your help. I do appreciate the suggestions, but I found that you guys misunderstood my point.
one more thing, this is more of a tip/trick request than a bug or a problem with ableton live. should i have posted this in another forum?
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This is what is stated in the manual. I realize it's not the only way to work with video, but on a very large project, it seems to be the most practical.
I figured out how to solve my issue... Contrary to the suggestions in the other posts (my apologies), I did set the video clip as the warp master, cleared out all of the warp markers, and started from scratch.
it helped to reset the clips time signature to something small, like 1/4 or 1/8, so that the time signature of the arrangement was less relevant to the time signature of the video clip.
i just paid close attention to the SMPTE in the arrangement view and how it relates to the clips SMPTE. You can also see how changing the videos marp markers affects the tempo map. (if you expand the "master" track) Using the video as the warp master makes it very easy to specify when you want a specific bar/beat to hit a specific frame.
this has been extremely helpful on a current project... the director cut a scene to temp music, and loved the pacing, tempo, etc. of the temp music. Using the video as a warp master, and moving the warp markers around to sync with the temp music track made it very easy to write alongside the temp track. Even helped with time signature changes, etc.
again, using the video as the warp master does not alter the videos tempo. that was not the question.
thanks for your help. I do appreciate the suggestions, but I found that you guys misunderstood my point.
one more thing, this is more of a tip/trick request than a bug or a problem with ableton live. should i have posted this in another forum?
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pepezabala wrote:what he said - if you score a movie clip you will NEVER warp the movie clip. You want the movie's speed to run absolutely unaltered.
Now you can do whatever you want with the master bpm (that you can set and automate in the master-track lane) without affecting the playback of the movie.
that makes sense.djgroovy wrote:The general forum would be it.mpaguia wrote: one more thing, this is more of a tip/trick request than a bug or a problem with ableton live. should i have posted this in another forum?
Many people seem confused about the tips & tricks forum - it's not for requesting tips, it's for sharing them.
thanks.