Drum Rack routing question

maxplanck · Post by **maxplanck** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:21 pm

I have four drum samples in a drum rack, all playing. I want to mix two of them together, and apply effects to just that mix. Is it possible to do this using only one drum rack? Or do I have to make a separate drum rack?

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:22 pm

drum racks have sends built in them, enable the send on the left hand pane of the drum rack to see the routing boxes.

hth, don't have Live near me right now.

dcease · Post by **dcease** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:24 pm

Tone Deft wrote:hth, don't have Live near me right now.

it's always in my heart

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:28 pm

I'll tell ya, answering questions blind like that is a great way to learn what you do and don't know. it's all practice and foreplay for when I get home.

dcease · Post by **dcease** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:29 pm

well, you do a great job of it

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:36 pm

thank ya sir, after nearly 9,000 posts you'd hope I learned a few things, some of which are about Live. yesterday I was quite wrong about when Live makes a new file, learned something. also, it's not always what you post, it's what you don't post. that's a hard lesson to learn, I got scars to prove it.

maxplanck · Post by **maxplanck** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:36 pm

I was using the send, but I want the two drum mix to be completely wet (from the affects applied at the return channel).

It looks like Drum Racks only allow you to send post fader. So if you want to mix two drums together and apply effects 100% wet to a return channel, you're out of luck.

Sound right?

It seems pretty silly to not have included pre-fader routing...

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:40 pm

dunno, I'd need to check Live first. can't leave for another 9,000 seconds.

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:17 am

planck - workaround - make a parallel send path, drop in a Utility plug in and hit the Phase inversion buttons, this will remove the dry from the sub mix.

longjohns · Post by **longjohns** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 1:36 am

there are two "real" ways to do this.

1) group the desired sounds to a sub-drumrack (select the chains(!)(not pads!)) and right click "group to drum rack"

now they are on a chain which can have it's own FX added at the end (aka "100% wet")

you may need to fix some note routing after the grouping.

2) explained here:

http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=88568

maxplanck · Post by **maxplanck** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 3:33 am

thanks a lot guys