ABLETON & LOGIG STUDIO 8 [RESONATOR?]

sadmac · Post by **sadmac** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:44 pm

Hi all .

I am working with both ableton live and Logic.

I was wondering if anybody has discovered any way to use a plug in or effect from Logic as the resonators plug ins from ableton...

Any help will be warmly appreciated.

[I don't want to work on rewire mode]

Thank you.

sadmac · Post by **sadmac** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:12 pm

anybody here??

dr.wackler · Post by **dr.wackler** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:24 pm

sadmac wrote:anybody here??

I'd say there's "nobody here", because there is no equivalent to Live's Resonator effect in Logic. Maybe you could try to get close with Delay Designer, but I doubt it.

xrayfish · Post by **xrayfish** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:26 pm

Are you looking for a resonator-type effect in logic or did you want to use ableton resonator in the logic app?

As a rule you can only use ableton effects in ableton, and logic fx in logic. Having said that it is possible to route the audio of one through the other, either via rewire (ablton slaved to logic) which you say you don't want, or by using soundflower as a virtual audio link between the 2 programs.
There was a recent post on how to do this - have a look for it, there was a good post with screenshots.

Briefly it goes like this (substitute logic for mainstage)

<<
what you need:

a. a mac
b. the internal iac bus turned on
c. soundflower from cycling 74
d. mainstage
e. live

install soundflower
reboot
open audio midi setup
under the audio menu select aggregate device
select the soundflower device (whichever on you want, 2 or 16 channe)
select the other device (built in, external whatever you are using)
you now have a new virtual audio device that is actually
two devices in one.

open live
open mainstage
in the prefs for each choose the aggregate audio device as the io
choose the internal midi iac bus as the midi io

insert a new external instrument device in live ( 7 needed)
or create 1 new midi and 1 new audio channel.

midi will go out the aic
audio will be an input on the aggregate device

in mainstage you will need to make the audio output the same
as the input you chose from live, using soundflower this
should pass audio straight into live (with latency)
select your midi in mirroring the midi out you chose in live
now mainstage should recieve midi data from live, and
send the resulting audio back into live.>>

good luck !

The above also includes routing midi from on app to t'other via iac bus.

LOFA · Post by **LOFA** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:29 pm

Closest thing I can think of is by using vocoders. Ironically you might find yourself using sends and vocoders in logic to create a resonator in Logic, in an extreme manner of the scale of Angstrom's ingenious vocoder work-around.

sadmac · Post by **sadmac** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:42 am

LOFA wrote:Closest thing I can think of is by using vocoders. Ironically you might find yourself using sends and vocoders in logic to create a resonator in Logic, in an extreme manner of the scale of Angstrom's ingenious vocoder work-around.

Thank you all.

Xray fish: i dont have the cucling 74 soundflower.

LOFA: How could i do that by using vocoders? Can you tell me some more details on that please?

Yotone · Post by **Yotone** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:08 am

sadmac wrote: Thank you all.

Xray fish: i dont have the cucling 74 soundflower.

LOFA: How could i do that by using vocoders? Can you tell me some more details on that please?

It's free and you can get it here: http://www.cycling74.com/products/soundflower

LOFA · Post by **LOFA** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:09 am

Nope. It was mostly a absurd or simply useless statement. My hunch is that if there are building blocks in live to make a vocoder, then there is a chance that these exist in logic.

Logic's side chains, routing features etc are perhaps not much more advanced than live's (depends on who you ask), but there is no question that logic has more features for manipulating audio (effects at least.) On the other hand, Lives racks do offer distinct features.

Let's break this down. What does the resonator do? If you can answer that question, then I am willing to bet you can find a way of conjuring a chain of devices in logic that has similar, perhaps even better results. You might have an easier time doing this in max. Which where I should be now. Good luck! Oh, and why do you want this in logic?

Just use soundflower!

xrayfish · Post by **xrayfish** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:10 am

If you want to try using soundflower then see here - the best and clearest explanation you'll find of how to use live and logic together

http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic. ... highlight=

Alternatively give Logic's EVOC 20 filter a go.

sadmac · Post by **sadmac** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:47 am

LOFA wrote:Nope. It was mostly a absurd or simply useless statement. My hunch is that if there are building blocks in live to make a vocoder, then there is a chance that these exist in logic.

Logic's side chains, routing features etc are perhaps not much more advanced than live's (depends on who you ask), but there is no question that logic has more features for manipulating audio (effects at least.) On the other hand, Lives racks do offer distinct features.

Let's break this down. What does the resonator do? If you can answer that question, then I am willing to bet you can find a way of conjuring a chain of devices in logic that has similar, perhaps even better results. You might have an easier time doing this in max. Which where I should be now. Good luck! Oh, and why do you want this in logic?

Just use soundflower!

thanx for your reply.

i maybe give a try, although i dont have the time to deal with new apps at all...

i want to work in logic because the sound is better. but, resonators in ableton are awesome and i like use them a lot. using a chain of effect would might do the job but again i have to test and figure out which and how cause the same results when in live i just use a simple effect...

again, i want to avoid use live and logic together.

thank you all.

LOFA · Post by **LOFA** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:31 am

soundflower is more of a patch than an app.

I wasted way too long trying to get logic and live to play happy.

sadmac · Post by **sadmac** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:16 am

yes, i know that..

is it necessary if i use it to have open both logic and ableton?

i would prefer to run just logic if possible.

please, let me know about this. my cpu will crash out

(i am on a pb 1.6 with 2 gb of ram)

tjwett · Post by **tjwett** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 11:48 am

you're not going to achieve anything with just one or the other running. short story is Live's instruments and fx only work in Live, and Logic's instruments and fx only work in Logic. unless you are willing to route audio all over the place then you are S.O.L.
forget it with the PowerBook. i can't even launch Live 7 on mine, or 6, or 5, or 4.

forge · Post by **forge** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 11:54 am

isn't the Logic Evoc going to get you some resonator type FX?

tjwett · Post by **tjwett** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 1:37 pm

forge wrote:isn't the Logic Evoc going to get you some resonator type FX?

yeah, and a pretty good one. vocodery synth effect thang.